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Could anyone help me please. Thomas Richard Rand was born Oct 1878 Gravesend Kent, his mother died in 1883 and father in 1888 . I found his sister Eliza in 1891 in Millers orphanage Bristol and his brother Arthur Frederick in a Dr Barnardos home Bethnal Green in 1891 but unable to find the whereabouts of Thomas. These 3 children were from a 2nd marriage of Richard John Rand who had 8 children by his 1st wife. Appreciate any help

For Ref is this him.

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about Thomas Richard Rand
Name: Thomas Richard Rand
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 10 Dec 1878
Baptism Place: Milton-Next-Gravesend, Kent, England
Father: Richard John Rand
Mother: Eliza
FHL Film Number: 1469435
Reference ID: - 2:2SBNV3L



Big Family.

1881 England Census about Thos. Richard Rand
Name: Thos. Richard Rand
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Richd. John Rand
Mother: Eliza Rand
Gender: Male
Where born: Gravesend, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Milton in Gravesend
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 10 Albion Road
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Gravesend
Sub-registration district: Gravesend
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 873
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Richd. John Rand 50
Eliza Rand 39
Richard John Rand 25
Emma Ann Rand 27
John Richard Rand 23
Lydia Sophia Rand 21
Lucy Fanny Rand 15
Harriett Emily Rand 13
Wilim. John Rand 9
Florence Harriett Rand 18
Thos. Richard Rand 2
Eliza Rand 1
Martha Hogwood 18
James Mayr 22

have you looked for details about him on freebmd?

He may have died young, or do you have proof that he didn't?

Found this but ?

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Thomas R Rand
Name: Thomas R Rand
Birth Date: abt 1875
Age: 49
Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date: 11 Feb 1924
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Cape Town
Ship Name: Arundel Castle
Search Ship Database: View the 'Arundel Castle' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 118433

Traveling with
Wife Emma 42, dau Delores 7 ,all english born,Thomas is a Prison Warder,all coming back from South Africa

This looks like the same family returning to SA:


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Miss D K Rand
Gender:Female
Age:12
Birth Date:abt 1917
Departure Date:22 Mar 1929
Port of Departure:Southampton, England
Destination Port:
Natal
Ship Name:Carnarvon Castle

Travelling with T R Rand, Mrs E R or L Rand.

Possible marriage for this couple:

Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)

***BURR Emma Louisa Portsmouth 2b 971 Scan available - click to view
HARTNELL Ethel Kate Portsmouth 2b 971 Scan available - click to view
HERRING Thomas Portsmouth 2b 971 Scan available - click to view
***RAND Thomas Robert Portsmouth 2b 971

but cannot find any Rand/Burr births.

Births Jun 1874 (>99%)
Rand Thomas Robert Bethnal Green 1c 190

Going to South Africa in 1921:


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Mrs E L Rand
Name: Mrs E L Rand
Gender: Female
Age: 4 (43 on image)
Birth Date: abt 1917 (should be 1878 if age is 43)
Departure Date: 4 Mar 1921
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Cape Town, South Africa
Ship Name: Saxon
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Saxon' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: The Union-Castle Mail Steamship Co, Ltd
Official Number: 112713
Master: J N Culverwell

Travelling with Miss D Rand, age 4, and Mr T R Rand, prison officer, age 40.

the second name of that one was Robert. see the marriage and birth records

EDIT: Oops, just seen Ricochet's post above.

Deleted wrong info.

At least it eliminates him, which isn't a bad thing

Is this him? A Barnardo's child sent to Canada?

1891 Census of Canada about Thomas Rand
Name: Thomas Rand
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 15
Birth Year: abt 1876
[1878]
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Domestic
Religion: Methodist
French Canadian: No
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Province: Ontario
District Number: 116
District: Simcoe East
Subdistrict: Monck
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Perry 57
Charlotte Perry 60
Alfred Perry 21
Ada Yearley 23
Oliver Perry 20
Alice Perry 17
Thomas Rand 15

An Ancestry user has added this note:

1878 rather than abt 1876
Birth Record Barnados
Submitted by janthompson258 on 12/09/2012

The same user has added this note to this 1901 record:

Thomas R Rand rather than Thomas B Rand
Correction due to an error in transcription.
Submitted by janthompson258 on 12/09/2012


1901 Census of Canada about Thomas B Rand
Name: Thomas B Rand
[Thomas R Rand]
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 22
Birth Day & Month: 19 Nov
Birth Year: 1878
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Immigration Year: 1898
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Church Of England
Occupation: Labourer
Province: British Columbia
District: Yale & Cariboo
District Number: 5
Sub-District: Kootenay (West/Ouest), (Revelstoke Riding/Division Revelstoke)
Sub-District Number: G-1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Donald Bain 38
Susan Bain 40
Donald Bain 10
Wilburn F Clary 32
John Mctavish 30
Thomas B Rand 22
John W Crawford 31
William Mcgill 52
James Noble 59
Jacob Noll 21
Andrew A Johnson 30
Lionel Wilcox 22
Lionel Thompson 36
James Mainland 44
Thomas Mcguin 25
William Mathews 39
Toy Wong 25

Hello AG ,pleased to hear from you again. You helped me find the family of one of my Dads crew, all killed in 1943 Holland. In contact with the Heath family in Australia and they are over the moon. Regarding Thomas Richard Rand, having looked at what has been sent I really do not know what to think, his christening was 10th Dec 1878 yet on the Canadian 1901 census ,his birthday down as 19th Nov 1878 so presume it is not him. Obviously the 3 children of the 2nd marriage were all sent to a home.in the 1891 Canadian census re the Dr Barnados boy states he was 15 but Thomas would only have been 12 but then dates are not always correct so it could be him, if his father died in 1888, mother in 1883, he could have been in Dr Barnados for a couple of years before sent to Canada hence why not on the 1891 UK census and his younger brother Arthur too young to be sent out to work. Found no death for him in the UK.

Meant to say thank you all for the look ups.

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Item: Thomas RAND
Given Name(s):
Thomas
Surname:
RAND
Gender:
M
Ship:
VANCOUVER
Port of Departure:
Liverpool
Date of Departure:
1889-06-13
Port of Arrival:
Quebec
Date of Arrival:
1889-06-23
Year of Arrival:
1889
Party:
Barnardo Homes
Destination:
Toronto, Ontario
Comments:
123 children most over 12 or ages not listed, Dr. Barnardos to Toronto.
Type of Records:
Passenger Lists
Microfilm Reel Number:
C-4537
Remarks:
The child's age was illegible, difficult to decipher or not given
Children travelling together:
Q89AW
Source:
Library and Archives Canada
Reference:
RG 76 C1a
Item Number:
30180

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If his birthday was in November then surely December 10th as a christening date is very possible.

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Groom Name:
RAND, THOMAS RICHARD
Bride Name:
BOYD, MABEL ROSE ZETTA
Date:
1903/11/12
Event Place:
VANCOUVER
Registration Number:
1903-09-049338
B.C. Archives Mfilm Number:
B11373
GSU Mfilm Number:
1983530
Event Type:
Marriage
Vital Stat Images(s):
004400857_00619.jpg

You can view the record which states he was English, a bartender and his father was John Richard.
She was 20 and her father was Thomas Boyd.



Groom Name:
VEVIG, THOMAS
Bride Name:
RAND, MABEL ROSE
Date:
1911/08/09
Event Place:
VANCOUVER
Registration Number:
1911-09-066569
B.C. Archives Mfilm Number:
B11376
GSU Mfilm Number:
1983704
Event Type:
Marriage
Vital Stat Images(s):
004401575_00406.jpg

This appears to be a second marriage for Mabel but states she was a spinster, 28. Her father is Thomas Boyd Rand.
This does not make sense if it is her.

1901 Census of Canada about Mabel Boyd
Name: Mabel Boyd
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 17
Birth Day & Month: 2 Apr
Birth Year: 1883
Birthplace: Ontario
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Boyd
Mother's name: Margret Boyd
Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Methodist
Province: British Columbia
District: New Westminster
District Number: 2
Sub-District: Chilliwack
Sub-District Number: A-5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Boyd 56
Margret Boyd 38
Mabel Boyd 17
Clarence Boyd 16
Clifford Boyd 14
Ernest Boyd 12
Jessie Boyd 9
Margret Boyd 2



1930 United States Federal Census about Mabel Vevig
Name: Mabel Vevig
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1884
Birthplace: Canada
Race: White
Home in 1930: Cordova, Third Judicial District, Alaska Territory
Map of Home: View map
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Tom Vevig
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: United States
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Tom Vevig 47
Mabel Vevig 46



Washington, Deaths, 1883-1960 about Mabel Rose Vevig
Name: Mabel Rose Vevig
[Mabel Rose Boyd]
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1883
Death Date: 14 May 1948
Age at Death: 65
Death Location: Alderwood Manor, Snohomish, Washington
Father: Thomas Boyd
Mother: Margaret Larabe
Record Source: Washington State Death Records

Oh just realised Thomas was sent to Toronto and not Vancouver, that was the name of the ship

Hello Alviegal. I feel the Thomas Rand sent to Toronto by Dr Barnadoes aboard the Vancouver in 1889 could be him and the marriage to Mabel Rose Boyd, although his father was Richard John Rand and not John Richard Rand but then names are sometimes down back to front. I wonder if he ever had further contact with his z2 siblings also put in homes or even with his 8 half siblings. I think it is dreadful what the staff of Dr Barnadoes did to the unfortunate children in their care by sending them abroad away from their kin. I know some made good but then others didn't. I was in an orphanage myself from 1947 until 1953 and was very fortunate I was not separated from my elder brother and we were not sent abroad. Just attended the yearly reunion with all from the orphanage and we are still like a family so feel very lucky to have this bond with them all.

The christening of Thomas was 10th October 1878 Gravesend and not 10th December 1878 as stated so the November birthday is debatable, but then he may have thought his birthday as being November perhaps didn't have a birth cert.