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Hello Alviegal. I feel the Thomas Rand sent to Toronto by Dr Barnadoes aboard the Vancouver in 1889 could be him and the marriage to Mabel Rose Boyd, although his father was Richard John Rand and not John Richard Rand but then names are sometimes down back to front. I wonder if he ever had further contact with his z2 siblings also put in homes or even with his 8 half siblings. I think it is dreadful what the staff of Dr Barnadoes did to the unfortunate children in their care by sending them abroad away from their kin. I know some made good but then others didn't. I was in an orphanage myself from 1947 until 1953 and was very fortunate I was not separated from my elder brother and we were not sent abroad. Just attended the yearly reunion with all from the orphanage and we are still like a family so feel very lucky to have this bond with them all.

Could one of you kind people find when the brother of Thomas Richard Rand, ie. Arthur Frederick Rand born 1881 Gravesend Kent UK also went to Canada for I found one in a census married to a Catherine with a daughter Pearl, states born at sea. I do not have Ancestry worldwide. Many thanks

I think this may be the marriage for the Arthur F that you found

Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928
Name: Arthur Fred Rand
Birth Place: England
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Father Name: Albert Rand
Mother Name: Martha Rand
Spouse Name: Catherine Graham
Spouse's Age: 24
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1879
Spouse Birth Place: Canada
Spouse Father Name: Robert John H Graham
Spouse Mother Name: Sarah Louisa Hibson
Marriage Date: 12 May 1903
Marriage County or District: York

ADDED: on the 1921 Canada census he says he arrived in Canada 1884 but on the 1916 census he says he arrived 1891 (same man as he's with wife Catherine and daughter Pearl on each)

His exact DOB will be on his birth certificate

Births Dec 1878 (>99%)
Rand Thomas Richard Gravesend 2a 457

I don't think this can be Arthur Frederick because his parents were Richard John and Eliza Rand where on the marriage it states Albert and Martha Rand

Lots of children on the same sailing so this may be him

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First name(s) A F
Last name RAND
Gender Male
Age 10
Birth year 1881
Occupation CHILD
Departure year 1891
Departure day 7
Departure month 11
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port PORTLAND
Destination PORTLAND
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name SARDINIAN
Ship master's first name WM
Ship master's last name RICHARDSON
Shipping line ALLAN LINE
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port PORTLAND
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 4202
Ship registered tonnage 2577
Number of passengers 156
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Record collection Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States


Kiddies didn't go to Canada until they were 10 or coming up to 10"

My mums elder half sister was a home child too in 1909. She went to the USA and then travelled to Canada from there

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Thomas Richard Rand
Name: Thomas Richard Rand
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 10 Dec 1878
Christening Place: Milton near Gravesend, Kent, England
Father's Name: Richard John Rand
Mother's name: Eliza

Sorry John, but why do you think he was christened in October. The above record states December.



From your reply 29 Jun 2014 21:08


'The christening of Thomas was 10th October 1878 Gravesend and not 10th December 1878 as stated so the November birthday is debatable, but then he may have thought his birthday as being November perhaps didn't have a birth cert. '

Item: A F RAND
Given Name(s):
A F
Surname:
RAND
Age:
10
Gender:
M
Ship:
SARDINIAN
Port of Departure:
Liverpool
Date of Departure:
1891-11-07
Port of Arrival:
Portland
Date of Arrival:
1891-11-17
Year of Arrival:
1891
Party:
Barnardo Homes
Destination:
Toronto, Ontario
Comments:
40 boys for Dr. Barnardo in Toronto who entered Canada at Montreal from Portland, Maine.
Type of Records:
Records of other organizations
Children travelling together:
Z91AA
Source:
Public Record Office
Reference:
BT27/64
Item Number:
98826


http://goo.gl/Q21iVT

[EDIT: Actually, this could equally well be the Thomas Henry Rand born in Beckenham in 1878, who travelled a lot to and from Canada.]


Re Thomas Richard's marriage to Mabel in Vancouver 1903 -

I wonder if this can be him returning from a visit to UK?
The image says he's a labourer, born in Kent, hading for Vancouver.


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Thomas Rand
Name: Thomas Rand
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Date of Arrival: 9 Mar 1903
Vessel: Tunisian
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Port of Arrival: St John, New Brunswick via Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-505

Hi AG. Feel unsure if Thomas Richard returned home, could it be the Thomas Henry born Beckenham Kent you mentioned because Thomas Richard was born in Gravesend Kent. Looking at the marriage of Thomas Richard Rand to Mabel Rose Boyd in 1903 I think the marriage split up because Mabel Rand/Boyd married a Thomas Vovig and on her death in 1948 she was down as Mabel Rose Vevig. Looking again at the voyage back to Vancouver in March 1903 , Thomas Richard Rand was stated as being a Labourer on,his marriage to Mabel so it could be possible it his him. But being a labourer would he have been able to have afforded a return voyage in those days.

Re Alfred Frederick Rand, certainly the other brother, on the 1891 Uk census he was in a Dr Barnados home which would have been taken around April 1891 and the passage to Portland was in November 1891 and as I thought the children went from Portland to Canada. I wonder if Thomas Richard returned home to the Uk in 1903 to look for his brother Alfred