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Anyone have any suggestions as to why my great grandfather might have been known under both names?

He was born in Winkleigh, Devon in 1861 - as a Baker although there are also numerous Kellands in the same village. He was known as William Baker Kelland n many official documents but on the 1911 census he is a Baker (in Warrington, Cheshire). The Kelland addition is a bit of a mystery that my dad - now 88 - has pondered over for some time. :-S

Which name did he use when he married?

Who did he name as his father?

Do you have William's birth cert?

You refer to official documents; please say what they relate to

There is nothing for the name William Baker Kelland on freebmd or FMP

You ask why he used both names; illegitimacy is the obvious thought, but maybe you know that he wasn't.

If he'd been born out of wedlock to a Miss Baker, who later married a kelland, that could be one explanation

Is this him?

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Churchey Water, Ashreigney, Torrington, Devon, England

Print household transcription Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Baker Head - Male 31 1840 - Devon Image Transcription
Jane Baker Wife - Female 28 1843 - Devon Image Transcription
William Baker Son - Male 10 1861 - Devon Image Transcription
Ann Baker Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Devon Image Transcription
Robert Baker Son - Male 4 1867 - Devon Image Transcription

Please C&P the 1911 details; I can't see him using your info

BTW, Warrington was lancs until 1974

Name: William Baker
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Father
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Winkley, Devonshire, England
Civil Parish: Warrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 10 Ellis St Warrington
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Warrington
Registration District Number: 459
Sub-registration district: Warrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Piece: 23160
Household Members:
Name Age
George Smith 51
Margaret Smith 55
George Edith 30
James Peter Smith 24
Isiah Smith 22
John William Monk 28
William Baker 47
Saray Ann Baker 45
Margret Baker 21
Sarah Ann Baker 17
Mary Alice Baker 14
William Baker 12
Annie Baker 11
Albert Baker 9
Harold Baker 7
Bessie Baker 5

he married as kelland to Sarah Antrobus I think

Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
Kelland William Warrington 8c 233

If it's of any relevance, Cheshire BMD, tells us they married St Paul's:

ANTROBUS Sarah A KELLAND William Warrington, St Paul Warrington

It looks as though Ancestry has included another family on the 1911, this is the FMP version which reflects the image more accurately:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
10 Ellis St Warrington, Warrington, Lancashire, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Maritalcondition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

William Baker Father Married Male 47 1864 Labourer Winkley Devonshire
Sarah Ann Baker Mother Married Female 45 1866 - Padgate Lancashire
Margret Baker Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Worker At Home Warrington Lancashire
Sarah Ann Baker Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Garment Maker Warrington Lancashire
Mary Alice Baker Daughter - Female 14 1897 - Warrington Lancashire
William Baker Son - Male 12 1899 - Warrington Lancashire
Annie Baker Daughter - Female 11 1900 - Warrington Lancashire
Albert Baker Son - Male 9 1902 - Warrington Lancashire
Harold Baker Son - Male 7 1904 - Warrington Lancashire
Bessie Baker Daughter - Female 5 1906 - Warrington Lancashire

EDIT: Were all the children registered as Baker?

1891 census

Name: Wm Baker
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Baker
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England
Civil Parish: Warrington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Elphin
County/Island: Lancashire
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Baker 28
Sarah Ann Baker 25
Margaret Baker 1
Martha Baker 4/12

By the way - welcome to the boards Anthony!

Could you tell us what information you have regarding other members of his family - e.g. his mother, siblings etc. that might help piece this together.

Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
KELLAND Bessie Warrington Warrington WAR/152/147
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
KELLAND Mary Warrington Warrington WAR/157/31
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
KELLAND William A Warrington Warrington WAR/165/440
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
KELLAND Annie M Warrington Warrington WAR/171/370
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
KELLAND Albert B Warrington Warrington WAR/181/145
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
KELLAND Harold Warrington Warrington WAR/189/380
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
KELLAND Bessie Warrington Warrington WAR/198/386
Total records matching : 7.

Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
Kelland Albert Baker Warrington 8c 247 Scan available - click to view

Births Sep 1895 (>99%)
Kelland Bessie Warrington 8c 263 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Dec 1897 (>99%)
Kelland Bessie 2 Warrington 8c 139 Scan available - click to view

Year Of Marriage 1929
First name(s) ALBERT B
Last name KELLAND
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1929
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ALBERT B KELLAND married
MONA BROOKES
Spouse's last name BROOKES
District WARRINGTON
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8C
Page 271


First name(s) ALBERT B
Last name KELLAND
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1902
Age 62
Death quarter 3
Death year 1964
District WARRINGTON
County Lancashire
Volume 10F
Page 628
Country England

I'll let Anthony know that he has replies to his query. :-)

????

1861 Census
3 Records found



Piece: RG9/1498 Place: Winkleigh -Devon Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Winkleigh Ecclesiastical Parish: Winkleigh
Folio: 51 Page: 23 Schedule: 138
Address: Chamberses

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BAKER John Head M M 28 Ag Lab Devon - Winkleigh
BAKER Grace Wife M F 21 Devon - Winkleigh
BAKER William John Son - M 1 Devon - Winkleigh

Thanks to all who have responded so far. Hopefully you will have received a direct reply to your inbox - if not message me and I will get back to you.

Think I've marked the thread as answered in error though

All very helpful info - some I already had -

I have official papers i.e. registering birth of his daughter (my nan) showing him as William Kelland and her as Annie Maria Kelland - though later records show them all as Baker. Also my nan's marriage lines have him as Wm Baker Kelland.

All very confusing - any further help / suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Thanks Anthony.
So this looks like him with his parents

Name: William Baker
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Baker
Mother's name: Jane Baker
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashreigney, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Ashreigney
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Torrington
Sub-registration district: Winkleigh
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 50
Piece: 2195
Folio: 20
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Baker 31
Jane Baker 28
William Baker 10
Ann Baker 5
Robert Baker 4

Is it possible he may have married Jane S Lee rather than Jane Hellings or do you have evidence of her name.

Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)
Baker John Torrington 5b 899
LEE Jane Torrington 5b 899

1861

Name: John Baker
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sophia J Baker
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashreigney, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Ashreigney
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Torrington
Sub-registration district: Winkleigh
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 1498
Folio: 18
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
John Baker 21
Sophia J Baker 18>>>>>Born Burrington
William Baker 2/12


Name: Jane S Lee
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Lee
Mother's name: Mary Lee
Gender: Female
Where born: Burrington, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Ashreigney
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Devon
Household Members:
Name Age
William Lee 38
Mary Lee 36
Elizabeth Lee 14
Susan M Lee 10
>>>>Jane S Lee 7
Harriet Lee 6
Ann Lee 4
Maria Lee 10 Mo

His name on his daughter's marriage cert is not exactly 'official' That is merely the name someone gave for him at the time.

He did not marry using a second forename.

His children were registered as kelland, a name which at least one used all his life.

WHO was his father? If he knew him, his name will be one the 1888 marriage cert. That piece of info is crucial

The JFM 1861 birth is actually too early for the ages he gives on the censuses above

When and where did William die? and under which name?