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Hi

We went to a workhouse yesterday and were told about the above boy who was 9 years old and was in the workhouse in 1851

I'm curious as to what happened to him and try as I might, I can find nothing other than the below entry


1851 England Census about Joseph Disney
Name: Joseph Disney
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwell, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Upton
Ecclesiastical parish: Lincoln
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Nottinghamshire

Registration district: Southwell
Sub-registration district: Southwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 25

Household schedule number: 113
Piece: 2134

Any help appreciated - thank you

Hi Gins

possible

Births Dec 1841
Disney Joseph Bingham 15 453

was he the only Disney in workhouse in that year?

a possible father?


Name: Joseph Disney
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Birthplace: Nottinghamshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Southwell
Sub-District: Southwell
Parish: Southwell
County: Nottinghamshire

Southwell is a registration district as well as a town

Not going to help but this chap may have been related

Deaths Dec 1868 (>99%)
Disney Joseph 82 Southwell 7b 197


1841 England Census about Joseph Disney
Name: Joseph Disney
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Southwell
Hundred: Thurgarton (Southwell Division)
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Southwell
Sub-registration district: Southwell
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 867
Book: 12
Folio: 47
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Disney 45
Wm Monks 17

born Southwell, Notts

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

First name(s) JOSEPH

Last name DISNEY

Birth year
-
Birth parish
-
Service number 2610

Rank PRIVATE

Regiment Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers - 27th & 108th Foot

Document Type Discharge 1874

Attestation year
Attestation Day
Attestation Month
Attestation age years
Attestation age months
-
Discharge Corps
108TH REGT OF FOOT

Discharge service number
2610

Series chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913

Box 1940

Box Record Number 8

Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915

Category Military, armed forces & conflict

Record collection Regimental & service records

Collections from Great Britain


Records on FMP

enlisted 23rd Feb 1858 - age 18 into 95th Regt of Derby
occupation - Silk Glove Hand

Intended place of residence on discharge - Nottingham



EDITED - he was discharged in 1874 (not 1878 as previously posted)

Possible??

Joseph Disney
Estimated birth year:abt 1842
Registration Year:1883
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death:41
Registration district:Rotherham
Inferred County:Yorkshire West Riding
Volume:9c
Page:400

That looks good Choccy, would account for his non appearance on the 1861/71 census.

1861 Worldwide Army Index Transcription
Print individual transcription
First name Joseph
Last name Disney
Service number 188
Rank Private
Unit or Regiment 95th Foot (Derbyshire)
Regiment stationed at Poona East Indies
Year 1861
National Archives reference WO12 / 9560
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Record collection Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

Brilliant thank you

I reckon the older Disney must be related, if not his father?

Did you find out why he was in the workhouse Gins - or anything about his admittance/discharge?

There must be something about him to have drawn your attention........lets face it there were a lot of children going through the workhouses back then

I've been to Southwell as well. Its a stark brutal building. Even with very little in the way of fixtures and fitting you can get the sense of what the workhouse was all aboiut. In the 1960's it was used as temporary accomadation and this part is furnished, but its still cramped and squalid. And Southwell was reckoned to be a 'model' for a well run and provisioned establishment.

Andy

Flip

They told how he was always scaling the walls and running away. On one occasion they found him in the town and he was missing a stocking.

As the clothes belonged to the workhouse, he was whipped for stealing

Just felt for the poor little mite and wanted to know he got out of the workhouse

Well there's no death registration for him whilst in the workhouse so I would assume he eventually "escaped" so to speak. I really think Choccy's find is possible for him - maybe the army was the obvious choice if they kept bringing him back? One way out...and he is the right age.

Any more on the military record Choccy - I can't find it on ancestry?

Yeah, I too think Choccy has found him

I can't see him on the 1881 census

look under derby borough police court


http://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000052%2f18750203%2f021

Army service records show -

Bad conduct. No good conduct badges. No education certificate. Addicted to drink.
Appeared 35 times in Regimental defaulters book.
Court martialled 3 times.

Insubordination, insolence and breaking out of barracks mentioned.

Suffered with haemorrhoids and ulceration of rectum.
12 admissions to hospital for piles. Operated on several times for piles.
Suffered at times from dysentery, diarrhoea and malarial fever.

(no wonder he was addicted to alcohol!!)

Derby Mercury - 3rd Feb 1875

Derby Borough Police Court

Joseph Disney, a man with a crutch, a pensioner of the 95th Regiment, was charged with being drunk in Tenant Street. Discharged on promising to leave town.

Sorry safc, unless you have a FMP sub you can't access your link.

Wow Choccy, it's a wonder they kept him for 20 years then!

Nottinghamshire Guardian - 29th Oct 1875

Joseph Disney a wretched looking individual using a crutch, was brought up in custody charged with being destitute in the street on Sunday evening. Defendant stated he was a discharged soldier, having been in the 95th Regiment from which he was discharged having met with an accident. Pension of 6d a day. He had walked about the streets all night and gave himself up to PC Winfield. He was anxious to get into the workhouse, although Nottingham was not his native place. Ordered to be sent to the workhouse.

this may be him as well -

Nottinghamshire Guardian - 28th Sept 1877

Joseph Disney was charged with being drunk. PS Loverseed said that about 8 p.m. on Monday night he found the defendant very drunk in Commercial Square, St Anns Well Road. He conveyed him to the Police station in a cab. A fine of 20s with the alternative of 14 days imprisonment was imposed.

Not sure if the newspaper reports are the same person - you have said he was discharged in 1878, so would not have been a discharged soldier in 1875 - and the regiment is wrong. Maybe there is another military record to account for this one?