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DERBY BOROUGH POLICE COURT, YESTERDAY (TUESDAY).
DERBY BOROUGH POLICE COURT, YESTERDAY (TUESDAY).
Walker-lane. Defendant said, "Fits is what occasioned it, ani to and the older I get the worse they are."-Discbarged. Co id Joseph Disney, a man with a crutch, a pensioner of the Sb be 95th Regiment, was charged with being drunk in Tenant- Re be ?? on promising
03 February 1875 - Derby Mercury - Derby, Derbyshire, England

Yes, it was the only place for medical treatment or help back then.

Wonder if there are any reports of his d&d behaviour in Hartlepool to see if the death I posted could be him?

Flip

On the guided tour by the National Trust, they told us that the workhouse was meant to be 'harsh' not cruel.

There had been previous parish support that led to paupers being too happy and they wanted to stay in the institution as it was comfortable

I think it was John Thomas Becher that introduced the new style of a workhouse in Southwell

Not nice places but a place where they could survive. We were shown how fine the stones had to be crushed to....they had to fit through a colander !

It was the only place in 1828c for children to get an education, small comfort me thinks

Edit:

The staff comprised of only three or four people:

Master, matron, school teacher(s)

The staff were not allowed to leave the workhouse, unless special permission was given by the board of guardians

Are you going to update the workhouse tour guides Gins - just to show them what a miserable failure the system was?

Thanks Choccy and everyone, for your help

Brilliant

So although the regiment is wrong it certainly looks like him - what a sad life!

Flip - sorry, my mistake, he was discharged in 1874, not 1878. Have edited my posting.

Wow, thanks Choccy

How sad, the little b#gger!

Not sure if the newspaper reports are the same person - you have said he was discharged in 1878, so would not have been a discharged soldier in 1875 - and the regiment is wrong. Maybe there is another military record to account for this one?

this may be him as well -

Nottinghamshire Guardian - 28th Sept 1877

Joseph Disney was charged with being drunk. PS Loverseed said that about 8 p.m. on Monday night he found the defendant very drunk in Commercial Square, St Anns Well Road. He conveyed him to the Police station in a cab. A fine of 20s with the alternative of 14 days imprisonment was imposed.

Nottinghamshire Guardian - 29th Oct 1875

Joseph Disney a wretched looking individual using a crutch, was brought up in custody charged with being destitute in the street on Sunday evening. Defendant stated he was a discharged soldier, having been in the 95th Regiment from which he was discharged having met with an accident. Pension of 6d a day. He had walked about the streets all night and gave himself up to PC Winfield. He was anxious to get into the workhouse, although Nottingham was not his native place. Ordered to be sent to the workhouse.

Sorry safc, unless you have a FMP sub you can't access your link.

Wow Choccy, it's a wonder they kept him for 20 years then!

Derby Mercury - 3rd Feb 1875

Derby Borough Police Court

Joseph Disney, a man with a crutch, a pensioner of the 95th Regiment, was charged with being drunk in Tenant Street. Discharged on promising to leave town.

Army service records show -

Bad conduct. No good conduct badges. No education certificate. Addicted to drink.
Appeared 35 times in Regimental defaulters book.
Court martialled 3 times.

Insubordination, insolence and breaking out of barracks mentioned.

Suffered with haemorrhoids and ulceration of rectum.
12 admissions to hospital for piles. Operated on several times for piles.
Suffered at times from dysentery, diarrhoea and malarial fever.

(no wonder he was addicted to alcohol!!)

look under derby borough police court


http://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000052%2f18750203%2f021

Yeah, I too think Choccy has found him

I can't see him on the 1881 census

Well there's no death registration for him whilst in the workhouse so I would assume he eventually "escaped" so to speak. I really think Choccy's find is possible for him - maybe the army was the obvious choice if they kept bringing him back? One way out...and he is the right age.

Any more on the military record Choccy - I can't find it on ancestry?

Flip

They told how he was always scaling the walls and running away. On one occasion they found him in the town and he was missing a stocking.

As the clothes belonged to the workhouse, he was whipped for stealing

Just felt for the poor little mite and wanted to know he got out of the workhouse

I've been to Southwell as well. Its a stark brutal building. Even with very little in the way of fixtures and fitting you can get the sense of what the workhouse was all aboiut. In the 1960's it was used as temporary accomadation and this part is furnished, but its still cramped and squalid. And Southwell was reckoned to be a 'model' for a well run and provisioned establishment.

Andy

Did you find out why he was in the workhouse Gins - or anything about his admittance/discharge?

There must be something about him to have drawn your attention........lets face it there were a lot of children going through the workhouses back then