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Could somebody please help?

I have been trying to find George Simpson b 1843 Church Hulme
on the 1851 Census without much luck. I do see him on later
censuses with birth as 1844 and living in Northwich, Cheshire
He was married to Mary Jane Ravenscroft, seen on the 1881 census
my grandfather David b1878 is also on the census.

I would appreciate any info... Regards Pom

here you are ....... from ancestry

1851 Census

Name: George Simpson
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: William Basturvile
Gender: Male
Where born: Cotton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Cotton
Ecclesiastical parish: Church Hulme
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County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Congleton
Sub-registration district: Church Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Household schedule number: 12
Piece: 2167
Folio: 42
Page Number: 4

George Basturvile 60
Martha Basturvile 58
William Basturvile 27
George Simpson 8
Richard Hazlehurst 42

The usual reason for not finding someone in a census is putting in too much information!!

George Basturvile 60 b.ca 1791, Cranage, Cheshire, Ag Lab
Martha Basturvile 58 b.ca 1793, Swettenham, Cheshire
William Basturvile 27 b.ca 1824, Cotton, Cheshire, Ag Lab
George Simpson 8
Richard Hazlehurst 42 Visitor, Ag Lab

this looks like George and Martha in 1841


1841 Census

Name: George Baskerville
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Sandbach
Hundred: Northwich
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Congleton
Sub-registration district: Church Hulme

Piece: 122
Book: 5
Folio: 3
Page Number: 19

George Baskerville 55 Ag Lab
Martha Baskerville 40
Sarah Baskerville 5

Address:- Cotton



The name is, of course, Baskerville

Can I just add that the census says he is the grandson of George Basturvile.

There is an assumption made on that record from ancestry that his Father is William Basturvile, just because of the way that the census is recorded with William (son) and then George (grandson)

Nowhere does it state that William is his Father.

and here is what looks to be a Simpson / Baskerville marriage


Marriages Sep 1840 (>99%)

BASKE_ILE Mary Congleton 19 95
SIMPSON Joseph Congleton 19 95



Joseph, Mary and Elizabeth, age 2 months are actually living next to george and Martha on the 1841 Census



Name: Joseph Simpson
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Sandbach
Hundred: Northwich
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Congleton
Sub-registration district: Church Hulme

Piece: 122
Book: 5
Folio: 3
Page Number: 19

Joseph Simpson 25
Mary Simpson 20 b.ca 1821, Cheshire
Elizabeth Simpson 9 Mo b.ca 1840, Cheshire
Richard Hazlehurst 35 b.ca 1806, Cheshire



Ages of people over the age of 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census ............... so they appear to be up to 4 years younger than they really were

Thus Joseph could have been born any time between 1812 and 1816, and Mary any time between 1817 and 1821


Joseph and Mary look to be good candidates for George Simpson's parents

This could be his parents marriage??

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1840
Surname
Forename(s)
Surname
Forename(s)
Church / Register Office
Registers At
Reference

SIMPSON
Joseph
BASKERVILE
Mary
Sandbach, St Mary
Cheshire East 1080/1/81

I see Sylvia has already found this ;-) The Cheshirebmd site gives parishes though.

A Public Family tree on ancestry has a death for Mary Simpson in 1847 ................. if true, that could explain why George was living with his grandparents in 1851.


You need to search freebmd to see if you can find a death ........ the tree has no documentation to prove what it says is accurate.

I don't think it's right Sylvia - there is a death for Mary Simpson in Church Hulme in 1847 but she is under 1 year old according to cheshirebmd,

Flip .................


thank you!

I can't however find Joseph and Mary together after 1841 ......


..... and Elizabeth, age 10, is already out at work, as a Servant, in the 851.

bed for me!!!


I'll hope you've found more by the time I get up :-)

From familysearch.org:

Mary Baskerville
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 25 Mar 1821
Event Place: Church-Hulme, Cheshire, England
Gender: Female
Father's Name:George Baskerville
Mother's Name:Martha

GS Film number:1655594 ,Digital Folder Number:004003798 ,Image Number: 00290

George Baskerville
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Feb 1820
Event Place: Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name:Martha Lownds

GS Film number:1751911 ,Digital Folder Number:004018545 ,Image Number: 00628

George Baskerville
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 11 Sep 1872
Event Place: Church Hulme, Cheshire, England
Gender: Male
Age: 83


Martha Baskerville
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 01 Apr 1872
Event Place: Church Hulme, Cheshire, England
Gender: Female
Age: 79

Actually, the cheshirebmd site may be wrong - recording the age for the 1847 death as there is this burial:

Mary Simpson
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 30 Mar 1847
Event Place: , Church Hulme, Cheshire, England
Gender: Female
Age (Formatted): 26y

GS Film number:2262707 ,Digital Folder Number:004019138 ,Image Number: 00599

For a better idea of his age:

Joseph Simpson
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 07 Jul 1840
Event Place: , Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Gender: Male
Age (Formatted): 22y
Father's Name:Thomas Simpson
Spouse's Name:Mary Bastervile
Spouse's Father's Name:George Bastervile

GS Film number:1941925 ,Digital Folder Number:004018703 ,Image Number: 00100

I wondered if this is George's father, Joseph, but it says 'unmarried' not 'widower' on the image.
His birthplace could be Kinderton not Hinderton.

1851 England Census
Joseph Simpson Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Brother-in-law Gender: Male
Where born: Hinderton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Newton County/Island: Cheshire Country: England
Street address: Brooks Lane
Registration district: Northwich Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a Household schedule number: 42 Piece: 2166 Folio: 310 Page Number: 17
Ann Simpson 37 widow Bolton, York
Thomas Simpson 9 Wellington, Somerset
Sarah Simpson 8 Mo Newton cheshire
xxx Joseph Simpson 35
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2166; Folio: 310; Page: 17; GSU roll: 87150.

Added:
Just seen Flip's posting of his age at marriage - so should be 32/33 in 1851

Added:
Thomas's probable birth, if needed:
Births Sep 1842
Simpson Thomas Wellington S 10 435

I looked at the same one Pat, but not sure....however, there's this one in 1871 which could be the same guy:

Joseph Simpson
Age:52
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1819
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Elizabeth Simpson
Gender:Male
Where born:Middlewich, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish:Kinderton
Ecclesiastical parish:Middlewich
Town:Middlewich
County/Island:Cheshire
Country:England
Registration district:Northwich
Sub-registration district:Middlewich
ED, institution, or vessel:6
Household schedule number:76
Piece:3700
Folio:95
Page Number:14
Household Members:NameAge

Joseph Simpson 52
Elizabeth Simpson 37
John Simpson 12
William Simpson 8