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Patricia did you manage to access the file I sent you?

1901
Sarah Wellard Head Married Female 55 1846 - Shoreham, Kent, England
Elvey Wellard Son Single Male 23 1878 Labourer On Farm Eynsford, Kent, England
Louisa Wellard Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Field Work On Farm Eynsford, Kent, England
Edward Wellard Son - Male 15 1886 Labourer On Farm Swanley, Kent, England
Christopher Faithfull Grand Son - Male 4 1897 - Lewisham, Kent, England
Parish St Mary Cray
Country England
County Kent
Registration district Bromley
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 692
Folio 44
Page 6


Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
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Faithfull Christopher Lewisham 1d 1211


County Kent
Place Swanley
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 24
MarriageDate 19 Sep 1918
GroomForename Christopher
GroomSurname FAITHFULL
GroomAge 21
GroomParish St Mary's, Swanley
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Seaman Torpedoman
GroomAbode
BrideForename Annie Matilda
BrideSurname BRIGDEN
BrideAge 20
BrideParish St Mary's, Swanley
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename William Christopher Vincent
GroomFatherSurname FAITHFULL
GroomFatherOccupation Labourer
BrideFatherForename Joseph
BrideFatherSurname BRIGDEN
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer NW Board
WitnessOneForename J
WitnessOneSurname GIBBONS
WitnessTwoForename Sarah
WitnessTwoSurname FAITHFULL


(other Son below from 1911)

County Kent
Place Swanley
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 85
MarriageDate 31 Dec 1927
GroomForename Frederick John
GroomSurname FAITHFULL
GroomAge 26
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Barman
GroomAbode Alexander Terrace, Swanley
BrideForename Florence Gladys Ivy
BrideSurname PACKMAN
BrideAge 22
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Alexander Terrace, Swanley
GroomFatherForename Christopher
GroomFatherSurname FAITHFULL
GroomFatherOccupation Bricklayer
BrideFatherForename Charles
BrideFatherSurname PACKMAN
BrideFatherOccupation News Agent
WitnessOneForename Christopher
WitnessOneSurname FAITHFULL
WitnessTwoForename E
WitnessTwoSurname PACKMAN


(noticed above, from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

(nothing on 'James' though!)

I had already downloaded it when Maddie posted so will mail it now
Jude

I think Maddie found the court record on find my past - I'll send you a copy of the 1907 one as it has the list of various convictions. Check your messages.

Hi firstly "wow" i am blown away by so much information so quickly. Big thanks to Ann, Flip, Prickly Holly, Maddie and Gritty.

As i am finding it gets even more confusing the more you find out. It will take me time to work through all of this information but iam curious as to how you can know that the "aliases" used refer to the same man and where do you find the "full conviction list"
i will keep looking and hope maybe to hear more espec ially about his father James. There seems to be so many deceptions in this mans life i am beginning to doubt even that James was his father and that his birth was in India.

Flip i also have a strong feeling that there is a gypsy ancestry in here somewhere.

Trish

Nice find Gritty, but it says "of Bristol" so living there but not necssarily born there. I really do wonder if there was a Gypsy ancestry, although not trying to typecast I wonder?

According to Google, Punyant is in Lahore,Punjab.

Another twist, the 1893 conviction for house breaking, when he got 16 mth as James Gardner (now a carpenter) - the other offender charged with him (also got 16 months) was Rose Vincent. She had previous convictions in 1886 & 1887 under the name Margaret Bishop!

Going back to the earliest conviction, I think it was at Sevenoaks and he received 12 months for stealing a horse, cart & harness. He was a hawker, and also charged with the same offence was Rose Ranger (indicted as Grainger) who was also given 12 months.

It lists a previous conviction for Charles Davis in 18/1/1882 at Bedminster petty sessions where he was fined 20s for cruelty to a horse.

As Patricia is a new poster.........I will send a PM to let her know she has received replies.

:-)

there are no indian births under either name that I can find or any baptisms with a father James
Another brick wall :-( :-( :-( :-(
Maddie

Yes one wonders whether it was indeed his real name.......

Jude

This does cast some doubts as to his real name and place of birth, and whether he invented the father James. What would a jeweller be doing in India - he obviously wasn't military otherwise the birth would be coming up on FMP.

If the first recorded offence is him, then I wonder if that was his original name??

Not sure I agree with you Jude, if you look at the 1902 conviction he is a bricklayer - and the details tally with the full conviction list in 1907.

22/10/1891 given 12m for horse stealing, under the name Charles Davis
4/4/1893 given 16m for house breaking under name James Gardner
7/1/1897 5 yr + 2 yr police supervision for horse stealing (using Christopher Faithful)
3/7/1902 3 yr + 2 yr police supervision for horse stealing (Croydon court)
10/7/02 5 yr, concurrent with above (Maidstone assizes).
23/11/1907 7 yr + 3 yr supervision. (Now a carman)

Added: Although I agree, where did he find the time to marry & have kids :-D

If the horse stealer is him, Lord knows where he found time to marry and have a child lol! :-)

Jude

The sons birth registration......(Two LL's)


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Christopher Faithfull Name:Christopher Faithfull
Registration Year:1897
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Lewisham
Inferred County:London
Volume:1d
Page:1211


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Christopher Faithfull Name:Christopher Faithfull
Spouse Name: Annie M Brigden
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration district:Dartford
Inferred County:Kent
Volume Number:2a
Page Number:1568



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Christopher Faithfull Name:Christopher Faithfull
Birth Date:20 Jan 1897
Date of Registration:Dec 1976
Age at Death:79
Registration district:Bexley
Inferred County:Greater London
Volume:11
Page:0396



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Annie Matilda Faithfull Name:Annie Matilda Faithfull
Birth Date:6 May 1900
Date of Registration:Dec 1980
Age at Death:80
Registration district:Gravesend
Inferred County:Kent
Volume:16
Page:0830

THat's why I asked about the occupation....I don't think the 1907 one is him. He is a serial horsestealer under various names and psuedonyms. And he appears to have been in prison from about 1893 whic

Jude

Home Office: Calendar of prisons Transcription
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First name(s) Christopher William
Last name Faithful
Age 38
Occupation Carman
Birth year 1869
Year 1907
Session commencing day 23
Session commencing month Nov
Place Middlesex
Court Westminster
Victim's first name(s)/alias -
Victim's last name -
Source A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The Intermediate Sessions Of The Peace
Series HO140
Piece number 259
Folio number -
Page number -
Record set Crime, Prisons & Punishment
Category Institutions & organisations
Record collection Prison registers
Collections from Great Britain
7 years imp

same guy
received 5 years for horse stealing


Home Office: Calendar of prisons Transcription
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First name(s) Christopher
Last name Faithful
Age 33
Occupation Bricklayer
Birth year 1869
Year 1902
Session commencing day 10
Session commencing month Jul
Place Kent
Court Sessions House Maidstone
Victim's first name(s)/alias Phillip
Victim's last name Wakeman
Source A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The Assizes
Series HO140
Piece number 216
Folio number -
Page number -
Record set Crime, Prisons & Punishment
Category Institutions & organisations
Record collection Prison registers
Collections from Great Britain

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That's a great find Maddie.

2 victims..........I wonder what he did?

Ah, Horse Stealing.