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Ancestor born in Punjab India

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PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 5 Oct 2014 14:19

As Patricia is a new poster.........I will send a PM to let her know she has received replies.

:-)

Flip

Flip Report 5 Oct 2014 14:25

Going back to the earliest conviction, I think it was at Sevenoaks and he received 12 months for stealing a horse, cart & harness. He was a hawker, and also charged with the same offence was Rose Ranger (indicted as Grainger) who was also given 12 months.

It lists a previous conviction for Charles Davis in 18/1/1882 at Bedminster petty sessions where he was fined 20s for cruelty to a horse.

Flip

Flip Report 5 Oct 2014 14:32

Another twist, the 1893 conviction for house breaking, when he got 16 mth as James Gardner (now a carpenter) - the other offender charged with him (also got 16 months) was Rose Vincent. She had previous convictions in 1886 & 1887 under the name Margaret Bishop!

wisechild

wisechild Report 5 Oct 2014 14:48

According to Google, Punyant is in Lahore,Punjab.

Flip

Flip Report 5 Oct 2014 17:43

Nice find Gritty, but it says "of Bristol" so living there but not necssarily born there. I really do wonder if there was a Gypsy ancestry, although not trying to typecast I wonder?

Patricia

Patricia Report 5 Oct 2014 19:47

Hi firstly "wow" i am blown away by so much information so quickly. Big thanks to Ann, Flip, Prickly Holly, Maddie and Gritty.

As i am finding it gets even more confusing the more you find out. It will take me time to work through all of this information but iam curious as to how you can know that the "aliases" used refer to the same man and where do you find the "full conviction list"
i will keep looking and hope maybe to hear more espec ially about his father James. There seems to be so many deceptions in this mans life i am beginning to doubt even that James was his father and that his birth was in India.

Flip i also have a strong feeling that there is a gypsy ancestry in here somewhere.

Trish

Flip

Flip Report 6 Oct 2014 06:15

I think Maddie found the court record on find my past - I'll send you a copy of the 1907 one as it has the list of various convictions. Check your messages.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 6 Oct 2014 06:19

I had already downloaded it when Maddie posted so will mail it now
Jude

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 6 Oct 2014 09:36

1901
Sarah Wellard Head Married Female 55 1846 - Shoreham, Kent, England
Elvey Wellard Son Single Male 23 1878 Labourer On Farm Eynsford, Kent, England
Louisa Wellard Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Field Work On Farm Eynsford, Kent, England
Edward Wellard Son - Male 15 1886 Labourer On Farm Swanley, Kent, England
Christopher Faithfull Grand Son - Male 4 1897 - Lewisham, Kent, England
Parish St Mary Cray
Country England
County Kent
Registration district Bromley
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 692
Folio 44
Page 6


Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
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Faithfull Christopher Lewisham 1d 1211


County Kent
Place Swanley
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 24
MarriageDate 19 Sep 1918
GroomForename Christopher
GroomSurname FAITHFULL
GroomAge 21
GroomParish St Mary's, Swanley
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Seaman Torpedoman
GroomAbode
BrideForename Annie Matilda
BrideSurname BRIGDEN
BrideAge 20
BrideParish St Mary's, Swanley
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename William Christopher Vincent
GroomFatherSurname FAITHFULL
GroomFatherOccupation Labourer
BrideFatherForename Joseph
BrideFatherSurname BRIGDEN
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer NW Board
WitnessOneForename J
WitnessOneSurname GIBBONS
WitnessTwoForename Sarah
WitnessTwoSurname FAITHFULL


(other Son below from 1911)

County Kent
Place Swanley
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 85
MarriageDate 31 Dec 1927
GroomForename Frederick John
GroomSurname FAITHFULL
GroomAge 26
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Barman
GroomAbode Alexander Terrace, Swanley
BrideForename Florence Gladys Ivy
BrideSurname PACKMAN
BrideAge 22
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Alexander Terrace, Swanley
GroomFatherForename Christopher
GroomFatherSurname FAITHFULL
GroomFatherOccupation Bricklayer
BrideFatherForename Charles
BrideFatherSurname PACKMAN
BrideFatherOccupation News Agent
WitnessOneForename Christopher
WitnessOneSurname FAITHFULL
WitnessTwoForename E
WitnessTwoSurname PACKMAN


(noticed above, from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

(nothing on 'James' though!)

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 7 Oct 2014 20:53

Patricia did you manage to access the file I sent you?