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I have found the marriage of my 2x great grandparents on my Paternal side. But finding them afterwards is proving a problem

Name: Joseph Shuttleworth
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Lilley
Event Date: 28 Dec 1878
Event Place: Saint George, Chorley, Lancashire, England

Just for ref from Lancs OPC:
Marriage: 28 Dec 1878 St George, Chorley, Lancashire, England
Joseph Shuttleworth - (X), 22, Moulder, Bachelor, Anderton Street
Elizabeth Lilley - 22, Weaver, Spinster, Moor Road
Groom's Father: Joseph Shuttleworth, Dresser
Bride's Father: Samuel Lilley, Points Man
Witness: William Shuttleworth, (X); Jane Lilley
Married by Banns by: John Stock
Register: Marriages 1873 - 1883, Page 166, Entry 332
Source: LDS Film 1526078

Maureen

Possible?


1881 England Census about Joseph Shuttleworth
Name: Joseph Shuttleworth
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Elizabeth Shuttleworth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Great Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 46 Bamber St
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Iron Dresser
Registration district: Bolton
Sub registration district: Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3843
Folio: 23
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Shuttleworth 24, born Bolton, Lancs
Elizabeth Shuttleworth 24, born Coppall, Lancs

1871 England Census about Joseph Shuttleworth
Name: Joseph Shuttleworth
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Shuttleworth
Mother's name: Betty Shuttleworth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bedford
Ecclesiastical parish: Bedford
Town: Green Lane End
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Culcheth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 3911
Folio: 59
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Shuttleworth 47
Betty Shuttleworth 47
Thomas Shuttleworth 21
Mores Shuttleworth 19
Joseph Shuttleworth 14
William Shuttleworth 11
James Shuttleworth 9
Richard Shuttleworth 7

Could it be that she lied about her age because she was older than Joseph?


1871 England Census about Elizabeth Lilley
Name: Elizabeth Lilley
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Lilley
Mother's name: Jane Lilley
Gender: Female
Where born: Coppul, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Coppull
Ecclesiastical parish: Coppull
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Chorley
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 27
Piece: 4199
Folio: 124
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lilley 56
Jane Lilley 55
Peter Lilley 38
William Lilley 21
Elizabeth Lilley 19
James Lilley 16
Henry Lilley 14

Edit: Oops! No, father's name is wrong.

I have Mary Lilley Shuttleworth 1886-1970 daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth (nee Lilley) 1856. Elizabeth 1856 daughter of Samuel 1833

This one then:


1871 England Census about Elizabeth Silley
Name: Elizabeth Silley
[Elizabeth Lilly]
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel Silley
Mother's name: Alice Silley
Gender: Female
Where born: Coppul, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Coppull
Ecclesiastical parish: Coppull
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Chorley
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 13
Piece: 4199
Folio: 123
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Silley 38, railway pointsman
Alice Silley 36
Ellen Silley 16
Elizabeth Silley 11
Jane Silley 10
James Silley 9
Joshua Silley 5
Alice Silley 2
Mary A Silley 1 Month

Name is Lilley on original and Elizabeth is 14 not 11.

This might be Elizabeth. Fathers occ. correct. Pointsman

1871 England Census
about Elizabeth Silley




Name:Elizabeth Silley[Elizabeth Lilly
] Age:11
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1860
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Samuel Silley
Mother's name:Alice Silley
Gender:Female
Where born:Coppul, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Coppull
Ecclesiastical parish:Coppull
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Registration district:Chorley
Sub-registration district:Chorley
ED, institution, or vessel:19
Household schedule number:13
Piece:4199
Folio:123
Page Number:3
Household Members:
Name
Age


Samuel Silley 38
Alice Silley 36
Ellen Silley 16
Elizabeth Silley 11
Jane Silley 10
James Silley 9
Joshua Silley 5
Alice Silley 2
Mary A Silley 1 Month

Andy

Which child of Joseph and Elizabeth is your Great Grandparent??

Or did you mean that finding them BEFORE the marriage is proving to be a problem?

1861 England Census about Elizabeth Lilly
Name: Elizabeth Lilly
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel Lilly
Mother's name: Alice Lilly
Gender: Female
Where born: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Coppull
Ecclesiastical parish: Coppull
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Chorley
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 158
Piece: 3122
Folio: 66
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Lilly 28
Alice Lilly 24
Ellen Lilly 11
Elizabeth Lilly 4
Jane Lilly 2

Re daughter Mary Lilley Shuttleworth:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Mary Lilley Shuttleworth
Name: Mary Lilley Shuttleworth
Registration Year: 1886
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Bolton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 455

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Deaths Jun 1890 (>99%)
Shuttleworth Elizabeth 33 Bolton 8c 202

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Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
EDGE Catherine Bolton 8c 526
SHUTTLEWORTH Joseph Bolton 8c 526


1891 England Census about Mary Shuttleworth
Name: Mary Shuttleworth
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Shuttleworth
Mother's name: Catherine Shuttleworth
Gender: Female
Where born: Halliwell, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Halliwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub registration district: Halliwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3102
Folio: 89
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Shuttleworth 34 - grocer (temporary change of occupation!)
Catherine Shuttleworth 42 - b. Heaton, Lancs.
Alice Ann Edge 12
Annie Edge 9
William Edge 6
Ellen Shuttleworth 6
Mary Shuttleworth 4 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


1901 England Census about Mary Shuttleworth
Name: Mary Shuttleworth
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Joseph Shuttleworth
Mother: Catharine Shuttleworth
Birth Place: Halliwell, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Lever
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3631
Folio: 38
Page Number: 10
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Shuttleworth 43 - iron moulder
Catharine Shuttleworth 53 - b. Heaton
Henrietta Edge 21
Annie Edge 19
Mary Shuttleworth 14



1911 England Census about Joseph Shuttleworth
Name: Joseph Shuttleworth
Age in 1911: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 39 Cobden St Halliwell Bolton
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Oven Moulder <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Bolton
Registration District Number: 461
Sub-registration district: Halliwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 23323
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Shuttleworth 58
Cathrine Shuttleworth 62

Sorry but I am confused now.......

I would say that Elizabeth Shuttleworth nee Lilley died in 1890 and Joseph remarried the same year to Catherine Edge who already had Edge children.

Sorry for confusing you, Mark!
I thought I had put it in clear time order.

Margee's reading of it is correct. At least, it's the same as mine!

Did you notice, ArgyllGran that he remarried in the same quarter that his first wife died? Didn't waste any time, did he?

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1884
SHUTTLEWORTH Ellen Eastern Bolton Bolton LILLEY EB/90/261

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1886
SHUTTLEWORTH Mary L Great Bolton Bolton LILLEY GB/2/463

Marriage: 28 May 1890 St Thomas the Apostle, Halliwell, Lancashire, England
Joseph Shuttleworth - (X), 33, Iron-moulder, Widower, 321 Halliwell Rd.
Catherine Edge - 41, Widow, 1 Cobden St
Groom's Father: John Shuttleworth, (Deceased), Iron dresser
Bride's Father: William Ainsworth, (Deceased), Crofter
Witness: William Ainsworth; Margarit Ainsworth
Married by Banns by: J. A. Young
Register: Marriages 1875 - 1899, Page 101, Entry 202
Source: LDS Film 2113163

Young children to cope with, Margee! Ellen and Mary.

He'd also just lost a son as well as Elizabeth:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1889
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SHUTTLEWORTH Joseph Halliwell Bolton LILLEY HALL/34/232


Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915 about Joseph Shuttleworth
Name: Joseph Shuttleworth
Birth Date: 16 Apr 1889
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 30 Apr 1889
Parish: Halliwell, St Thomas
Parish as it Appears: Halliwell, St Thomas
Father's Name: Joseph Shuttleworth
Mother's name: Elizabeth Shuttleworth
Reference Number: GB127.L144/1/1/1


???
Deaths Jun 1889 (>99%)

Shuttleworth Joseph 0 Bolton 8c 196

Daughter Mary after her marriage


1911 England Census
about Mary Lily Niblett
Name:Mary Lily Niblett
Age in 1911:24
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1887
Relation to Head:Wife
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:Bolton
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:40 Harvey St
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Weaver
Registration district:Bolton
Registration District Number:461
Sub-registration district:Halliwell
ED, institution, or vessel:15
Piece:23323
Household Members:
Name
Age

Joseph Niblett 3
Mary Lily Niblett 24
Joseph Niblett 2


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%)
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NIBLETT Joseph Bolton 8c 557
SHUTTLEWORTH MARY LILY Bolton 8c 557

There are 3 boarders with Joseph and Catherine on the 1911 census.........

Ernest Nightingale 30
Mary Ellen Nightingale 34
Leonard Nightingale 5


Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
EDGE Mary Ellen Bolton 8c 647
NIGHTINGALE Ernest Bolton 8c 647

Another baby who died??:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SHUTTLEWORTH Alice Eastern Bolton Bolton LILLEY EB/86/456

???
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
SHUTTLEWORTH Alice 0 Eastern Bolton Bolton EB/63/272