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Hi,

I am using my mum's account to post this I hope that's ok. This is my first post so please bear with me!

I've recently got in to family history and have been given a lot of information by relatives who have done a lot of research before me - There seems to be a dead end when it comes to my great x5 grandfather.

Here's what I know:

He was called William Masters, and was born about 1777 (although on the 1841 census it says he's 60 because the age is rounded)
He can be found on the 1841 census living in Southampton, with his wife Frances (also known as Fanny, maiden name Boyce/Boys) and they had two children, William Francis and George Eves(?) Masters.
They lived in Southampton, Hampshire. He was a blacksmith and farrier.
He was married in Southampton, and he died in Southampton in 1858.

I have searched and cannot find his parents but would love to know who they are!

There were two Masters families living in Southampton in the 1800s.

I wonder if anyone has any suggestions or ideas?

Thanks,

Russell

Welcome Russell. I'm sure we'll all see if we can help you.

For ref only

Hampshire Marriages Transcription
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First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name MASTERS
Marriage year 1802
Marriage day 25
Marriage month Oct
Place SOUTHAMPTON ST MICHAEL
Groom's first name William
Groom's last name Masters
Bride's first name Fanny
Bride's last name Boys
Groom's notes
Bride's notes
Parish Southampton St Michael
County Hampshire
Country England



1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bell Street, All Saints, Southampton, Hampshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
William Masters Male 60 1781 Hampshire, England
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Frances Masters Female 60 1781 Hampshire, England
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William Masters Male 20 1821 Hampshire, England

hi
there is a william masters born 1777 in whippingham hampshire father james and mother elizabeth

yvonne

Hi,

Thanks for the response and for having a look.

I've just had a look and Whippingham is on the Isle of Wight. Plausible I suppose.

Thanks again,

Russell

Baptism reads George Aver Masters.......

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
about George Aver Masters Name:George Aver Masters
Gender:Male
Baptism Date:25 Apr 1819
Baptism Place:St. Marys, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Father:William Masters
Mother:Frances Masters
FHL Film Number:1041725
Reference ID:item 1 p 110



England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
about George Eves Masters Name:George Eves Masters
Gender:Male
Burial Date:7 Dec 1836
Burial Place:St. Mary'S Parish, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Father:William Masters
Mother:Frances
FHL Film Number:1596362
Reference ID:items 1-3 p116

What makes you think he was born 1777 please and are you sure the death for him is correct? Not finding him in 1851.

There will be several more children around somewhere; if they got married in 1802, they certainly didn't wait till 1817 to start a family!

I think the William in Whippingham is a different family. there is also a William Masters aged 69 in Southampton in 1851.

Alviegal, familysearch has this for 1851

Name: William Masters
Age: 69
Gender: Male
Birthplace: Southampton, Hampshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Schedule Type: Household

but I can't find the entry anywhere else either. :-S

Thanks BeverleyW. That's strange.

Hi all,

His death was registered by his daughter in law (William Francis' wife Mary Ann) September 1858. He was buried in Southampton (Old) Cemetery in Sep 1858 as well. His age was given as 81, so 1858-81 = 1777. I guess that's where the 1777 comes from anyway. I think he was buried in a pauper's grave with about 5 other people.

I've not found him in the 1851 census either. Although at the time of his death he was living at 8 or 9 Westgate Street, Southampton.

Don't forget there were two Masters families in Southampton at the time!!

only appears to be one William masters born 1777, christened 5th sept 1777. Father james Mother Elizabeth jones they married Whippingham on the 13th july 1776.

??.
William Masters
England Births and Christenings
Name: William Masters
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 31 Jan 1784
Christening Place: All Saints, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Father's Name: William Masters
Mother's Name: Edith
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13569-4 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1041733 , Reference ID: item 6

He would be about 57 in 1841.

All Saints is the same place of baptism and 1841 census,

Interesting stuff everyone, thanks again for looking in to this!

IF........that is the correct Baptism for your William Masters........

A Brother


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
about John Masters Name:John Masters
Gender:Male
Baptism Date:30 Sep 1785
Baptism Place:All Saints, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Father:William Masters
Mother:Edith
FHL Film Number:1041733
Reference ID:item 6

??


England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
about William Masters Name:William Masters
Gender:Male
Spouse's Name:Edith Beer
Marriage Date:13 Nov 1782
Marriage Place:Southampton, Hampshire, England

Alviegal, familysearch has this for 1851

Name: William Masters
Age: 69
Gender: Male
Birthplace: Southampton, Hampshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Schedule Type: Household

I've found this-living in Kent with wife Elizabeth and he's a brickmaker

Ah, this one then. Are they the same person, I wonder? The William jr in 1841 is a J(ourneyman?) Gilder and his father a blacksmith.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Fishers Rents, St Pauls, Greenwich, Kent, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Masters Head Married Male 69 1782 Brick Maker Southampton, Hampshire, England
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Elizabeth Masters Wife Married Female 63 1788 - Richmond, Surrey, England
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William Masters Son Unmarried Male 32 1819 Tile Maker Tower Hill, Middlesex, England


EDIT This is the wrong family as this is the 1841 for them.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hill Street, St Paul Deptford, Greenwich, Kent, England

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First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Wm Masters Male 58 1783 - tile maker
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Elizabeth Masters Female 53 1788 -
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Wm Masters Male 22 1819 -

Hampshire Advertiser - Saturday 11 September 1858

On the 7th instant in North Front, Southampton, Mr William Masters aged 81
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Still trying to find William in 1851- Is this a burial for Frances? What address is given on her death certificate?

Select Burials:
Name: Frances Masters
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 1 Nov 1846
Burial Place: Southampton, Hampshire, England
FHL Film Number: 1596324
Reference ID: p 151

Hi all, thanks again so much for looking in to this.

Whilst William seems to evade the 1851 census, we do know he was buried in Southampton. Death given as aged 81 as I mentioned.

I imagine the burial above is correct, as there are no other Frances Masters in the area other than 'ours', and I have her death date as 3rd November 1846 in Southampton, buried at All Saints.

I think there's a chance that he could be the son of William and Edith - *IF* this is the case, then it would mean he was christened age 7. Is this uncommon? I was christened at about that age I think, maybe even older!

However, there is no way to say for certain if this is the case???

Many thanks again,
Russell Masters

Prickly Holly posted a likely marriage for William and Edith Masters, but it's in 1782, long after you think your William was born.

Just adding the detail to show the marriage was at ALL saiints:

First name(s) William
Last name Masters
Name note -
Marriage year 1782
Marriage date 1782
Marriage place Southampton, All Saints, Hampshire, England
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Spouse's first name(s) Edith
Spouse's last name Beere
Spouse's father's fist name(s) -
Spouse's father's last name -
Spouse's mother's first name(s) -
Spouse's mother's last name -
Residence Southampton, Hampshire, England
Place Southampton
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
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