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I am trying to trace William Peatman, born 1840 Lincoln. I have him on the 1851 census living with his grandparents Thomas & Elizabeth Peatman @ Long Bennington. I also have a baptism at Lincoln St Nicholas in Newport, Lincoln, parents stated as John & Anne, which fits with place of birth on the 1851 census. Whilst John is a son of Thomas & Elizabeth, William is not listed with either John & Ann or Thomas & Elizabeth in 1841, both coupleswere resident Long Bennington at that time. I can't find any other trace of him,a part from a possible BMD entry for Q1 @ Lincoln.

This is the only William Peatman I an see which fits with what you say in 1851.
Perhaps you are wrong in thinking that John and Anne are his parents?


1851 England Census about William Pearman
Name: William Pearman
[William Peatman]
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: Joseph Pearman
Mother's name: Maria Pearman
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Long Bennington
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newark
Sub-registration district: Bennington
ED, institution, or vessel: 8 and 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 165
Piece: 2138
Folio: 93
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Pearman 65
Elizabeth Pearman 70
Joseph Pearman 28
Maria Pearman 34
Elizabeth Pearman 3
William Pearman 11

Name: William Peatman
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 29 Mar 1840
Christening Place: St. Nicholas, Lincoln, England
Father's Name: John Peatman
Mother's Name: Anne

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02217-7 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1542059 , Reference ID: item 2 p 57

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Long Bennington
Church St Swithin
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 23 Jan 1842
Forename Thomas
Sex M
FatherForename John
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname PEATMAN
MotherSurname
Abode Long Bennington
FatherOccupation Laborer

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Long Bennington
Church St Swithin
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 24 Sep 1843
Forename Mary
Sex F
FatherForename John
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname PEATMAN
MotherSurname
Abode Long Bennington
FatherOccupation Laborer


(if relating, from below free link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Long Bennington
Church St Swithin
RegisterNumber 554
BurialDate 05 Sep 1844
Forename John
Surname PEATMAN
Age 29
Abode Long Bennington

Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Long Bennington
Church St Swithin
RegisterNumber 584
BurialDate 12 Jul 1846
Forename Ann
Surname PEATMAN
Age 26
Abode Long Bennington

As Long Bennington fall in the Newark Registration district maybe this is his birth registration

Name: William Peatman
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1841
Registration District: Newark
County: Nottinghamshire
Event Place: Newark, Nottinghamshire, England
Volume: 15
Page: 531
Line Number: 22

Which would explain why he wasn't with his parents in 1841. He hadn't been born.

Just in case the Joseph and Maria, in the 1851 census posted above, are his parents, here's their marriage:

Marriages Mar 1847 (>99%)
PEATMAN Joseph Southwell 15 795
Savage Maria Southwell 15 795


Julie -
is the 1851 I posted the same one you have found?

1851 shows him with grandparents.........


FMP version showing birthplaces

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wheat Sheaf Inn, Long Bennington, Newark, Nottinghamshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Peatman Head Married Male 65 1786 Gardener Lincolnshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Peatman Wife Married Female 70 1781 - Foston, Lincolnshire, England Transcription
Joseph Peatman Son Unmarried Male 28 1823 Labourer Lincolnshire, England Transcription
Maria Peatman Daughter-In-Law Unmarried Female 34 1817 - Halloughton, Nottinghamshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Peatman Grand Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Canada Transcription
William Peatman Grand Son - Male 11 1840 - City, Lincolnshire, England

Thnaks both, these are the 2 entries I have. I have a suspicion that John & Ann have recorded themselves as parents at the baptism when they are not. I am also dubious that he is the son on Joseph & Maria, as Joseph would have only been 16 when William was conceived.

Investing in the birth cert would probably be a good idea

Births Mar 1840 (>99%)
Peatman William Lincoln 14 438

Maybe he too went to Montreal



Wm Peutman

Quebec Census, 1861

Name: Wm Peutman
Gender: Male
Event Place: Montréal (St-Jacques), Montréal, Quebec
Age: 20
Birth Year (Estimated): 1841
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Single
Religion: W Methodist
Page Number: 803
Affiliate Film Number: C-1239

Marriages Sep 1839 (>99%)
COULSON Anne Lincoln 14 637
PEATMAN John Lincoln 14 637


Have you looked to see if William was with Anne's parents in 1841?

Thanks all, some of the information about John & Ann, & Joseph & Maria, is detail I hadn't turned up yet so will be useful. William does seem to be a bit of a mystery.

Some of you were posting whilst I was putting the last reply together. I haven't looked for William with his other grandparents, in fact I don't even have parents for Ann yet. I did think about the birth cert, but if John & Ann were prepared to pass themselves off as parents for the baptism, they may well have also reg'd the birth on that basis. The Quebec census entry is interesting as an earlier Peatman was in Montreal for many years & I note that Elizabeth daughter of Joseph & Maria is shown as born in Canada.

Ann's father's name was John:

Anne Coulson

England Marriages, 1538–1973

marriage: 1839 St. Paul In The Bail, Lincoln, Lincoln, England

father: John Coulson
spouse: John Peatman
other: Thomas Peatman

This one's a possibility:

Ann Coulson
England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8), 1588-1977
christening: 12 January 1818 Market Rasen, Lincolnshire
father: John Coulson
mother: Mary Coulson

County Lincolnshire
Place Long Bennington
Church St Swithin
RegisterNumber 58
MarriageDate 25 Sep 1848
GroomForename Richard
GroomSurname KIRTON
GroomCondition Widower
GroomOccupation Laborer
GroomAbode Long Bennington
BrideForename Ann
BrideSurname PEATMAN
BrideCondition Widow
BrideAbode Long Bennington
GroomFatherForename John
GroomFatherSurname KIRTON
GroomFatherOccupation Laborer
BrideFatherForename John
BrideFatherSurname COULSON
BrideFatherOccupation Laborer
WitnessOneForename Charles
WitnessOneSurname KIRTON
WitnessTwoForename Ann
WitnessTwoSurname ?
Notes Banns


1851 (Find My Past)
Richard Kirton Head Married Male 35 1816 Agricull Labour Lincolnshire, England
Ann Kirton Wife Married Female 34 1817 - North Carlton, Lincolnshire, England
Thomas Peatman Son-In-Law - Male 9 1842 - Lincolnshire, England
Mary Kirton Daughter - Female 8 1843 - Lincolnshire, England
Mary Peatman Daughter-In-Law - Female 7 1844 - Lincolnshire, England
Charles Kirton Son - Male 1 1850 - Lincolnshire, England
House name Wheat Sheaf Inn
Parish Long Bennington
County Nottinghamshire
Registration district Newark
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2138
Folio 100
Page 53

(wondering about above, fits with Baptisms, John Burial, but obviously not Ann Burial 1846)

Chris :)

Thanks ArgyllGran, I had just found the marriage on the Lincs Marriages database myself & started looking for John. For some reason I had the marriage as being at Long Bennington when it clearly was not. This perhaps makes the baptism in Lincoln a bit more credible as a child of John & Ann, but still doesn'ty explain where William was in 1841.

Chris, yes the marriage of Ann followng the death of John does fit. The burial in 1846 is actually John's sister Ann rather than his wife.

As William was christened in the church of St Nicholas in Newport, Lincoln, I would hazard a guess that these might be Ann's parents in 1841 - in which case he's not with them, either:


1841 England Census about John Coulson
Name: John Coulson
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1792
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: St Nicholas in Newport
Hundred: Lincoln
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Lincoln
Sub-registration district: Lincoln Home
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 651
Book: 14
Folio: 15
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
John Coulson 49
Mary Coulson 40
Mary A Coulson 10
Charles Coulson 8

ArgyllGran - census data consistently indicates Ann was born 1818, so this may be her parents, albeit Mary would have been quite young when she conceived. As you say it still doesn't locate William in 1841.