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looking for the children of maria amey b ledbury Hereford 1847-1921 & Samuel g Griffiths 1842-19??
they m at aston Birmingham in1872

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Confirmation of Maria's details

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Homend Street Smock Alley, Ledbury, Herefordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Harriet Amey Head Unmarried Female 25 1826 Char Woman Ledbury, Herefordshire, England Transcription
Maria Amey Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1848 Char Woman's Daughter Ledbury, Herefordshire, England Transcription

Hi, Ian -
do you know if they did have children? If so, what were their names/YOB's?

Have you found Maria & Samuel in any censuses after marriage? I don't see them so far.

Their marriage, for our reference:

Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)
Amey Maria Aston 6d 384
Griffiths Samuel George Aston 6d 384

Where did Maria die?

I can't see a death for the name in 1921 which would fit with a birth in 1847

How are you certain that Maria married Samuel?

Do you have anything other than the freebmd info?


Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)

Amey Maria Aston 6d 384
Boulton Sarah Aston 6d 384
Griffiths Samuel George Aston 6d 384
Smith George Aston 6d 384
WORTHINGTON James Aston 6d 384

One female name missing

Going back to 1861, Maria's an orphan:

Maria Amey

in the 1861 England Census
Name: Maria Amey
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: 1848
Relation: All Saint Margarates Orphanage
Gender: Female
Where born: Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: East Grinstead
Town: East Grinstead
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: East Grinstead
Sub-registration district: East Grinstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Piece: 579
Folio: 6
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah A Gream 52
Alice J Crocker 31
Ellen Horner 35
Katherine A E Warburton 21
Emma Wood 36
Christina Temple 38
Georgina M Townsend 39
Ellen Couper 32
Mary H Porter 15
Annie Harvey 25
Sarah Cooper 29
Constance Gardner 16
Mary A Edwards 16
Charlotte Hooley 15
Edith Attrell 14
Louisa Carr 15
Ellen L Beesley 14
Annie Hears 14
Maria Amey 13
(and others)



OR MAYBE NOT -

In view of the 1851 posted by Jacqueline, maybe this is her. Harriet(t) is unmarried, and a general labourer:

Mary Amy

in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary Amy
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: 1853
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Harriett Amy
Gender: Female
Where born: Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Ledbury
Town: Ledbury
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ledbury
Sub-registration district: Ledbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 13e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Piece: 1809
Folio: 52
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriett Amy 30
Mary Amy 8
Robert Amy 4

Name:Samuel George Griffiths occ Traveller
Gender:Male
Birth Year:abt 1844
Marriage Date:18 Aug 1872
Marriage Age28
Marriage Place:Aston, St Peter and St Paul, Warwickshire, England
Spouse:Maria Amey
Spouse Gender:Female
Spouse Marriage Age25
Father:Samuel Griffiths occ Hotelkeeper
Spouse's Father:Henry Amey occ Upholsterer
Reference Number:DRO 41
Archive Roll:M92


Andy

Thanks Andrew.

I see she invented a father............

If Maria is Harriet's daughter, here's Harriet in 1871 , still an unmarried charwoman (age agrees with 1851, though not 1861; son Robert more or less agrees with 1861):

Harriet Amey

in the 1871 England Census

Name: Harriet Amey
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Ledbury
Town: Ledbury
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ledbury
Sub-registration district: Ledbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 2682
Folio: 29
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriet Amey 55
Robert Amey 11

Where did you get Samuel's details from, Ian?
I can't see him in any census, either with his father before marriage, or with Maria after marriage.

Is this perhaps his birth? - nowhere near Aston, though:

Births Sep 1843 (>99%)
GRIFFITHS Samuel George St Pancras 1 267


Samuel George Griffiths
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
5 September 1843
christening:
25 January 1844
OLD CHURCH,SAINT PANCRAS,LONDON,ENGLAND
father:
Samuel Griffiths
mother:
Elizabeth

Maybe not, unless Samuel remarried c1883 (married 28 years per 1911 census):

Samuel George Griffiths

in the 1911 England Census
Name: Samuel George Griffiths
Age in 1911: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Pancras
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 28 College Place, Camden Town N W
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: PRIVATE MEANS
Registration district: St Pancras
Registration District Number: 9
Sub-registration district: East St Pancras
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 731
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel George Griffiths 67
Annie Preston Griffiths 48 (Freestone in image)



However, he is a traveller stationer in 1901, which would fit with the marriage record to Maria:

Samuel G Griffitts in the 1901 England Census

Name: Samuel G Griffitts
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Annie T Griffitts
Birth Place: St Pancras
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regent's Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 130
Folio: 144
Page Number: 33
Household schedule number: 346
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel G Griffitts 56
Annie T Griffitts 49
Samuel G Griffitts 15



Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
GRIFFITHS Samuel George Pancras 1b 87
Taylor Ann Frestone Pancras 1b 87

There's this, before the 1872 marriage ??? He's a clerk.

Saml G Griffiths

in the 1871 England Census
Name: Saml G Griffiths
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Griffiths
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras
Civil Parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Mary Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 621
Folio: 75
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Sam'l G Griffiths 27
Maria Griffiths 21 - born Selbury, Herefordshire (but might be Ledbury on mage)
Millie Granville 19 - Lodger

He's a married stationer in 1881, but not with Maria:

Sam G. Griffith in the 1881 England Census
Name: Sam G. Griffith
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relationship to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 38 Gloucester St
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Stationer
Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Regents Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 176
Folio: 73
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Corman 72
Sam G. Griffith 37

There's a tree on Ancestry which gives Maria Amey's parents as Harriet Amey and Edward John Webb. (Don't know where the father's name comes from.)

It also gives them another daughter, Mary Ann Amey, 1854, Ledbury:

Mary Ann Amey
England Births and Christenings
Name: Mary Ann Amey
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 13 Aug 1854
Christening Place: LEDBURY,HEREFORD,ENGLAND
Mother's Name: Harriet Amey


So if that's the same Harriet Amey, then both the 1861 census records I posted earlier could be Harriet's daughters. Maybe Maria was abandoned/sent to orphanage (she may have met Samuel G while in London, at the orphanage or later), if Harriet couldn't cope, and then later Harriet had Mary Ann ???

Marie Griffiths
England and Wales, Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name: Marie Griffiths
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1897
Registration District: Pancras
County: London
Event Place: Pancras, London, England
Volume: 1B
Page: 65
Line Number: 183

That death was for an infant


Deaths Mar 1897 (>99%)
Griffiths Marie 0 Pancras 1b 65

wow I donot understand any of this???

I'll summarise it for you, Ian - but be aware that some of it is conjecture, and you'd have to get certificates to prove it. Also, you haven't answered our questions re how you arrived at these people; whether or not you know if they did actually have children, and if so, their names - etc - so we've had to guess.

However, it looks as if Maria was the illegitimate daughter of Harriet Amey and unknown father.
She was born in Ledbury in 1848. By 1861 she was in an orphanage in East Grinstead, Sussex, presumably because Harriet couldn't cope as a single mother. (It looks as if Harriet went on to have another daughter, Mary Ann, in 1854, also by unknown father, and later a son, Robert.)
In 1871 Maria was living nominally as the wife of Samuel G Griffiths, in London. (Samuel born 1843, St Pancras.)
They married in 1872 , in Birmingham.
In 1881, Samuel is a married stationer, listed with his aunt, in Regent's Park. I don't know where Maria is in 1881 - in fact, I haven't found Maria after 1872.
They must have separated/divorced (or Maria died - you say she died 1921 - have you found a definite record of this?), because Samuel married Ann Taylor in 1883.
Samuel and Ann(ie) were still together in 1911. He's a traveller stationer in 1901, and living on own means in 1911. By 1911 they had had two children, one of whom had died. One of the children was also called Samuel George Griffiths, born 1885, the other (per 1891 census which hasn't been posted on this thread) was John Thomas Griffiths, born c1887.

I've found no sign of any children to Maria and Samuel.

Samuel's death:


Deaths Mar 1918 (>99%)
Griffiths Samuel G 74 Pancras 1b 154


Just a possibility for Ann's death:

Deaths Mar 1932 (>99%)
Griffiths Annie 76 Lambeth 1d 407

Her birth:
Births Jun 1856 (>99%)
TAYLOR Ann Freestone Chorlton 8c 527