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can any one help me? i'm trying to find the parents of william sidney kipling
he married in 1920 to elsie may williams. had four children ,david william henry,
joan, beryl, donald,
he used to sing in the birmingham townhall and from what i have been told was a shoemaker of some standing

Have you got the marriage cert ?

A copy of his marriage cert will tell you how old he was, and who his father was.

Alternatively, look for a birth registration on freebmd.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl



Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)
Kipling William S Williams Aston 6d 1659
Williams Elsie Kipling Aston 6d 1659


Second marriage?


Marriages Sep 1942 (>99%)

Hobley Mary E Kipling Birmingham 6d 1561
Kipling William S Hobley Birmingham 6d 1561

This child is living in Aston in 1911



Name:William Sydney Kipling

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:17 Sep 1899

Father's name:Charles George Kipling

Mother's name:Mary Ann Kipling

Parish or Poor Law Union:Hornsey St Mary

Borough:
Haringey

Register Type:Parish Registers

First name(s) Sidney William
Last name Kipling
Relationship to household head Inmate
Gender Male
Age 14
Birth year 1897
Birth place London Hornsey
Occupation School
Address New Oscott Erdington
Parish Sutton Coldfield
County Warwickshire
Country England
Registration district Aston
Registration district number 385
Subdistrict Sutton Coldfield
Subdistrict number 6
Enumeration district 19
Piece number 18390
Piece Number Suffix -
Schedule number 9999

Wonder if he was really Sidney William Kipling ?


Births Jun 1898 (>99%)
KIPLING Sydney William Edmonton 3a 315

You may have problems. Can't be sure if this is the right child, but I think Newington and Hornsey are fairly close to each other

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Pot Common, Elstead, Hambledon, Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Moseley Head Married Male 63 1838 Yardman On Farm Iping, Sussex, England Transcription
Susan Moseley Wife Married Female 53 1848 - Sussex, England Transcription
Caleb Moseley Son Single Male 19 1882 Horse Man On Farm Fernhurst, Sussex, England Transcription
Percy Moseley Son - Male 15 1886 Ordinary Agl Labourer Fernhurst, Sussex, England Transcription
William Kipling Visitor - Male 3 1898 - Newington, London, England Transcription
Ronold Wingate Visitor - Male 2 1899 - Fernhurst, Sussex, England Transcription

No idea if right or wrong

Name: Sydney W Kipling
Birth Date: abt 1898
Date of Registration: Mar 1968
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 76

Name: Elsie M Kipling
Birth Date: abt 1899
Date of Registration: Mar 1931
Age at Death: 32
Registration district: Birmingham North
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 2d
Page: 758


Might explain second marriage

I am sure that's him as living in Erdington up till 1950 at least.
Jan

?? Marriage of the parents named on baptism record


Spouse's first name(s) -
Spouse's last name -
First name(s) GEORGE CHARLES
Last name KIPLING
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1888
GEORGE CHARLES KIPLING married one of these people
MARY ANN HILL, ELIZABETH ANN DRAPER
Spouse's last name -
District ISLINGTON
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1B
Page 606

There was an older sister baptised the same day as Sidney William:

Name: Christina Kipling
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Sep 1899
Father's name: Charles George Kipling
Mother's name: Mary Ann Kipling
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hornsey St Mary
Borough: Haringey
Register Type: Parish Registers

Birth was recorded as June 17th 1896.

EDIT: Address was 69 Myddelton Road, in case that's of any use.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Woodfields, Stansted, Stansted Mountfitchet (Essex), Bishop Stortford, Hertfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Harriet Barnet Head Widow Female 49 1852 Living On Own Means Takeley, Essex, England Transcription
Agnes Barnet Daughter Single Female 21 1880 School Teacher Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Susie Young Boarder - Female 6 1895 Scholar Sheerness, Kent, England Transcription
Christiana Kipling Boarder - Female 4 1897 Scholar London, Middlesex, England Transcription

1901
First name(s) George Charles
Last name Kipling
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 53
Birth year 1848
Occupation Inmate Gardener
Birth town Newport
Birth town as transcribed NEWPORT
Birth county Essex
Birth county as transcribed ESSEX
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Street -
Town -
Parish Edmonton
City -
Country England
County Middlesex
Municipal ward Silver Street
Registration district Edmonton
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 1266
Folio 124
Page 23

The gardener occupation on the 1901 census for George Charles tallies with his occupation on the baptism registers for Christina and William Sydney..

1911

First name(s) Charles George
Last name Kipling
Relationship to household head Inmate
Marital condition Single
Gender Male
Age 64
Birth year 1847
Birth place Herts Bishops Storford
Occupation Jobbing Gardener
Address Brentwood Essex
Parish South Weald
County Essex
Country England
Registration district Billericay
Registration district number 193
Subdistrict Brentwood
Subdistrict number 1
Enumeration district 21
Piece number 10016
Piece Number Suffix -
Schedule number 9999

Wondering whether his age was wrong on the census returns

Name: Charles George Kipling
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 06 Oct 1853
Christening Place: St. Andrew's Church, Hertford, Hertford, England
Birth Date: 25 Apr 1853
Father's Name: Charles Kipling
Mother's Name: Elizabeth

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bentfield End, Stansted, Bishop Stortford, Hertfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Kipling Head - Male 59 1812 - Lincolnshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Kipling Wife - Female 53 1818 - Essex, England Transcription
Elizabeth Kipling Daughter - Female 31 1840 - Essex, England Transcription
Charlotte Alice Kipling Daughter - Female 21 1850 - Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Fanny Kipling Daughter - Female 19 1852 - Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Charles George Kipling Son - Male 17 1854 - Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Julia Kipling Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Louisa Beatrice Kipling Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Surrey, England Transcription


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wareside Village, Ware, Hertfordshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Kipling Head Married Male 69 1812 Inland Revenue Superintend Officer Lincoln, Middlesex, England Transcription
Elizabeth Kipling Wife Married Female 63 1818 - Newport, Essex, England Transcription
Charlotte A Kipling Daughter Single Female 31 1850 Out Of Employ Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Fanny Kipling Daughter Single Female 29 1852 Out Of Employ Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Charles G Kipling Son Single Male 27 1854 Out Of Employ Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Julia Kipling Daughter Single Female 25 1856 Out Of Employ Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Lucia B Kipling Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Out Of Employ Wandsworth, Surrey, England Transcription
Census details

KIPLING CHARLES G 1854 1936 1936 Deaths & burials Romford, Essex, England

1891 census, with some more siblings for Christina and William Sydney:

Name: Charle G Kipling
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A Kipling
Gender: Male
Where born: Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Hornsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Innocents
Town: Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
Charle G Kipling 36 gardener c1855 born Bishop's Stortford on image
Mary A Kipling 30 c 1861 Image says Midd (?) Not known
Louisa B Kipling 1 c1890 Hornsey Middx
Albert C Kipling 5/12 c1891 Hornsey, Middlesex, England

NB the later birth year.

EDIT: re Bishop Stortford as Charles's birthplace on this census and the 1911 census, the 1901 census Jacqueline posted earlier had Christina/Christiana farmed out as a boarder in the Bishop's Stortford area. Coincidence?