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In 1911 census William and Margaret lived in Cheyne Walk and had 4 children listed Thomas, Dorothy, Patrick and Moira. First couple surnames spelt Gillan then it changed to Gillian.

I am anxious to find any information on William and Margaret. I cannot find birth certificates for any of the children or marriage certificate for William I am trying to find Margaret's maiden name but keep hitting brick walls can anyone help.

Sue

For info........

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
131 Cheyne Walk Chelsea S W, Chelsea, London, England

William Gillan Head Married Male 35 1876 Chelsea London Furniture Porter
Margaret Gillan Wife Married Female 37 1874 Victoria in Wales -
Thomas Gillan Son - Male 15 1896 London Chelsea District Messenger
Dorothy Gillan Daughter Single Female 14 1897 London Chelsea -
Patsy Gillan Son - Male 12 1899 Cardiff Wales -
Moria Gillan Daughter - Female 8 1903 Cardiff Wales -

Married 17 years

Where have you been looking?

Have you used freebmd?

How do you connect with them?

Long shot!


Births Mar 1903 (>99%)
Gillham Phyllis Louisa M Cardiff 11a 465

Hi Susan

Have you found them on the 1901 census?

Well on the image. Patsy is down as son !!
The writing is difficult as think dad was having spelling problems

So this may be him !
Births Sep 1898
GILHAM Percy Randolph Cardiff 11a 440

Thanks for info will try freebmd. I connect with them as great grand daughter my grandfather was Stanley Gillian who I had hoped to find on 1911 census but he wasnt there though through an insurance document he was named and living at that address in cheyne walk with Margaret and he was 5. So the plot thickens.

Sue

Looking at the image.........Moira might possibly be Maria?

Edit: She is down as Maria on the Ancestry version.

1891 census
Walton Street, Chelsea, London, England


Margaret Gillan Head Widow Female 56 1835 Laundress -

Lizzie Gillan Stepdaughter Single Female 21 1870 Laundress Chelsea

William Gillan Son Single Male 15 1876 Porter Chelsea

William registered as William Patrick?

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription
First name(s) WILLIAM PATRICK
Last name GILLAN
Birth year 1875
Birth quarter 2
District CHELSEA
County London
Volume 1A
Page 321


William in 1891 in Chelsea

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Walton Street, Chelsea, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Margaret Gillan Head Widow Female 56 1835 Laundress -
Lizzie Gillan Stepdaughter Single Female 21 1870 Laundress Chelsea
William Gillan Son Single Male 15 1876 Porter Chelsea

As you say, can't find birth records for children or marriage for Wm and Margaret nor family in 1901.

EDIT - Margaret b County Nairn, Scotland

Is this your grandfather?


Marriages Jun 1930 (>99%)
Gillian Stanley Bassett Fulham 1a 896


First name(s) STANLEY
Last name GILLIAN
Gender Male
Birth day 24
Birth month 10
Birth year 1909
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1987
District WANDSWORTH
Register number 1087
County London
Volume 15
Page 1222

I'm afraid this rules out one of the suggested births

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
32, Salop Street, Penarth, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John R Gilham Head Married Male 31 1870 Baker Yeovil, Somerset, England Transcription
Emily A Gilham Wife Married Female 30 1871 - Hereford, Herefordshire, England Transcription
Evelyn M Gilham Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales Transcription
Percy R Gilham Son - Male 2 1899 - Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales Transcription
Alfred Ellis Boarder Single Male 20 1881 Dock Pilot Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales

Seems consistently as Gillan

First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name GILLAN
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1877
Age 50
Death quarter 1
Death year 1927
District CHELSEA
County London
Volume 1A
Page 591
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

This has been most helpful and Stanley Gilian who died 1987 and married Ivy Bassett if my Grandfather.

I have found that it looks like the family in 1911 seemed to appear from nowhere but after this date I can find them on census records. Though if I have correct William he died in 1927 which would be correct according to my grandfather's marriage certificate who has him down as deceased.

There is no birth to match the data given on the death record............

Who witnessed Stanley's marriage?

Are you 100% certain that his birth name was Gillian or a variant thereof

If that was allegedly his family in 1911.......where was Stanley?

You refer to a document......what was its date?

? you say they appear out of nowhere

Is that not William's birth Reg. in 1875 Chelsea - that would name his mother with her maiden name - right RD for 1911 census
and
is that not William in 1891 - occupation Porter as per 1911

I know the Death Reg, gives birth year as 1877, but age 50 Q1, the birth is more likely to be 1876 and then it's only a year out which is not unsurprising. Whoever registered the death can only give information as they know it.

1901 would make him old enough to be away in the Boer War for example

A tree on Ancestry has middle name Patrick for William. And has this electoral register for the family in 1926:

William Patrick Gillan
Margaret Gillian
Patrick Gillan
Year: 1926
County or Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency: Chelsea
Street address: 50 Lots Road

Other's at same address were:
Henrietta Cornelius
Thomas Cornelius

The document referred to was an insurance document that my uncle found when my grandmother Ivy died. Also while by Grandad (Stanley) was in the Army my grandmother used to go round and help his mum (Margaret) out.

Stanley has always maintained that there was a problem with his birth certificate it got destroyed somehow this is what my uncle can remember him saying. Also when Moira died it was the police who came round to inform my Grandfather and he had to make the funeral arrangements.

I would agree also that William birth reg 1875 looks a match and yes it would be great if mother's maiden name mentioned but I thought that wasn't recorded until much later will have to send for certificate. I am ultimately looking though for his Wife Margaret's maiden name. On looking at the 1891 census I would think this was the same William.

That is Susan's tree on Ancestry Gritty.

Do you know if there is any other information that can be obtained from the electrol roll other than address and occupants at the time.