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22 Apr 2015 18:16 |
Not sure if this is connected to the 'James Hayhurst' mentioned in Stephen's will trancripts above:
Name: James Hayhurst Spouse: Rebecca Atkinson Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 22 Dec 1785 Parish: Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields Borough: Tower Hamlets Register Type: Parish Register
One witness is a Jane Atkinson. James is described as a bachelor of ST Giles in the Fields, Rebecca a spinster otp. Married by licence.
Might be a complete red herring. However 'Long Acre' (mentioned as James' abode in Stephen's will) is an area in Westminster and I found the birth of two daughters, Jane and Jemima, to the couple in the Westminster area..
Name: Jane Hayhurst Gender: Female Christening Date: 17 Aug 1787 Christening Place: SAINT CLEMENT DANES,WESTMINSTER,LONDON,ENGLAND Birth Date: 24 Jul 1787 Father's Name: James Hayhurst Mother's Name: Rebecca Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04160-3 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 574266, 574267 ,
Name: Jemima Hayhurst Gender: Female Christening Date: 26 Apr 1789 Christening Place: SAINT CLEMENT DANES,WESTMINSTER,LONDON,ENGLAND Birth Date: 13 Apr 1789 Father's Name: James Hayhurst Mother's Name: Rebecca Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04160-3 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 574266, 574267
Howver 'Long Acre' might also be a rural location relating to Stephen's life in Scriven with Tenterhook.
Edit: This James died 1815:
Name: James Hayhurst Probate Date: 3 Jun 1815 Residence: St Giles in the Fields, Middlesex, England
Will mentions wife Rebecca, but I'm struggling to read it, it does say he has a son named James Hayhurst though, who is probably the recipient of the £500 bequest from Stephen Atkinson.
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22 Apr 2015 16:54 |
Found this transcription for the will of Stephen Atkinson (brother to Thomas Atkinson, uncle to James Atkinson c1800)
I believe the '1918' is a mistranscription and should be 1818. In harriet's will Stephen is mentioned as formerly of Scriven with Tentergate Knaresbrough:
http://www.harrogatepeopleandplaces.info/wills/aa/052.htm
Stephen Atkinson - 11th October 1918 - AA052
Scriven with Tentergate, but now of Colney Hatch, Middlesex, Esquire
To my niece Ann Atkinson, daughter of my brother James Atkinson, £1,000.
To John Fairbank, son of Francis Fairbank of Knaresborough, Attorney at Law, £500.
To my relation James Hayhurst, son of James Hayhurst, deceased, late of Long Acre, £500.
To James Sermitte, son of my executor Thomas Sermitte, £500.
To my servant Rachel Winter, £500.
To my executor, Thomas Sermitte, of Aldgate, London, and of Colney Hatch, Merchant, £500 Upon Trust to invest in public funds. Any change to be authorised by Harriette Atkinson, wife of Thomas Atkinson the son of my brother James Atkinson. The profit to be disbursed as directed by Harriette.
All my freehold estate in Scriven with Tentergate, Knaresborough, and Youlton, and the residue of my personal estate and effects to Thomas Sermitte.
Witnesses : George Ries Williams, Clerk to Messrs Exley Stoker & Dawson, Furnivals Inn, James Perkins of Colney Hatch
Inrolled 3rd January 1821
Edit: have now found a scan of the will which I will send.
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22 Apr 2015 15:32 |
HI,
Will send copy of the will of James Atkinson merchant, to you at the email address you gave me to send Harriet's will.
Harriet did mention James' will at the beginning of hers.
James is a merchant, mentions sons James, Stephen and THOMAS, and leaves various bequests to "Harriet the wife of my son Thomas". Quite a long will, and the writing is very closely written, so hope you have plenty of spare time!
Name: James Atkinson Esquire Probate Date: 23 Aug 1809 Residence: London
EDIT: Burial record for James:
Name: James Atkinson Burial Date: 14 Apr 1809 Parish: St Sepulchre, Holborn County: London Borough: City of London Record Type: Burial Register Type: Parish Register
Looks like he was buried in the 'Great Vault', and his address was given as Bedford Row. Aged 80 years, so gives you some idea of birthdate.
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22 Apr 2015 08:52 |
Oh WOW Thank you everyone So much information to read through - I am feeling very overwhelmed
Maddie - I'd seen the ancestry tree, but as it has quite a few proven errors on a couple of generations I can't trust any of it, but thanks.
Safe, Jacqueline, Kucinta and Chris Ho - thank you so much, it will probably take me a week to read through it all
Have a great week everyone <3
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22 Apr 2015 06:42 |
(saw below)
Death Announcements 1832-1844
Surname Atkinson First names Septimus Edward Unit Bengal Marines Death date 27 May 1833 Place of death East Indies Detail Septimus Edward Atkinson, Bengal Marines, youngest son of late Thomas Atkinson, esq. http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/
(above also on google search)
Name: Septimus Edward ATKINSON Marriage Start date: 27 Dec Start year: 1828 Location: Calcutta Cath. Spouse: Juliet Susannah WALTERS Status: 21. Gent. Transcribed by: British Library India Office Records Reference: N/1/21 f.177 Presidency: Bengal
http://indiafamily.bl.uk/ui/Advancediscovery.aspx
Chris :)
http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/EssexAncestors.aspx
(above for Essex Parishes, subscription needed)
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22 Apr 2015 01:54 |
????
This is EXTREMELY speculative based on Harriet Jones marrying in Barking, and being born c1772 if her age at death was correct.
Walthamstow and Barking are fairly close.
Name: Harriott Jones Gender: Female Christening Date: 17 Mar 1772 Christening Place: St. Marys, Walthamstow, Essex, England Father's Name: James Jones Mother's Name: Ann Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C16396-1 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1564135 , Reference ID: item 5 ,
We know Harriet had a sister named Ann, who had a James Jones as a witness at her marriage in 1799. However Ann was of the parish of Chislehurst at the time:
Name: Ann Jones Gender: Female Christening Date: 23 Jul 1767 Christening Place: St. Marys, Walthamstow, Essex, England Father's Name: James Jones Mother's Name: Ann Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C16396-1 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1564135 , Reference ID: item 4
Other births:
Name: Matilda Jones Event Type: Christening Event Date: 11 Mar 1775 Event Place: Barking, Essex, England Gender: Female Father's Name: James Jones Mother's Name: Ann GS Film Number: 1471843 , Digital Folder Number: 004047856 , Image Number: 00300
Name: Henry Salkeld Jones Event Type: Christening Event Date: 01 Jul 1773 Event Place: Barking, Essex, England Gender: Male Father's Name: James Jones Mother's Name: Ann GS Film Number: 1471843 , Digital Folder Number: 004047856 , Image Number: 00296
Name: Sarah Jones Gender: Female Christening Date: 09 Feb 1769 Christening Place: St. Marys, Walthamstow, Essex, England Father's Name: James Jones Mother's Name: Ann Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C16396-1 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1564135 , Reference ID: item 5
It looks like the baptisms start out at Walthamstow, then move to Barking if looked at chronologically.
BUT, Jones is so common a name, and, as Jacqueline said earlier, Essex is not the easiest county to work with where records are concerned, so this might be a complete red herring, and I can't see a way at the moment to substantiate it.
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22 Apr 2015 00:30 |
I suspect this is Juliet in census 1841, with possibly some of her Walters siblings/kin:
No sign of any surviving Atkinson children from her marriage:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Street, Crediton, Devon, England
Samuel Backwell Male 40 1801 Devon, England Anne Backwell Female 35 1806 Devon, England Ellen Backwell Female 14 1827 Devon, England Jane Lake Female 18 1823 Devon, England Richard Whidborne Male 61 1780 Devon, England Jane Whidborne Female 60 1781 Devon, England Jane Yarde Female 35 1806 Devon, England Jane Yarde Female 7 1834 Devon, England Fanny Badcock Female 50 1791 Devon, England George Walters Male 31 1810 - Susannah Walters Female 21 1820 - Juliet Atkinson Female 35 1806<<<<< Emily Walters Female 23 1818
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21 Apr 2015 23:54 |
One of the witnesses on the codicil to Harriet Atkinson's will, was one Juliet Susannah Atkinson.
I think she was the wife/widow of Thomas & Harriet's son Septimus Edward Atkinson.
Looks like they married in India:
First name(s) Septimus Edward Last name Atkin Marriage year 1828 Marriage date 27 Dec 1828 Spouse's first name Juliet Susannah Spouse's last name Walters Place - Presidency Bengal Groom's age 21 Bride's age 23 Groom's father's first name - Groom's father's last name - Bride's father's first name - Bride's father's last name - Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948 Archive reference N-1-21 Folio number 177 Entry number - Record set British India Office marriages
On the image of the marrige register, the name Septimus Edward Atkin fills one line, and 'son' is on the next line, Calcutta, gentleman. Juliet is also of Calcutta, a spinster.
They lost at least one child there:
Name: Harriett Julia Atkinson<<<<<<<<<<<< Gender: Female Burial Date: 15 Feb 1830 Burial Place: Calcutta, Bengal, India Age: 0 Birth Date: 1830 Occupation: Infant Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Septimus Edward Atkinson<<<<<<< Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B39594-9 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number:
The image says she died aged 2month, and her father Septimus was a Volunteer H. C.Marine.
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21 Apr 2015 21:36 |
Wondering whether James Atkinson and wife Elizabeth named their son Septimus Edward after James' brother: in Harriet's will, there is a codicil mentioning that her son Septimus Edward (James' brother?) had died.
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21 Apr 2015 21:25 |
Harriet appoints Charles John Wishaw, the son of her sister Ann Wishaw, as her executor.
This is the marriage of an Ann JONES to a Wishaw:
Name: Anne Jones Spouse: John Whishaw Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 9 May 1799 Parish: St Andrew Holborn Borough: City of London Register Type: Parish Register
John Wishaw is a widower of the parish of Holborn, Ann a spinster of the parish of Chislehurst.
Witnesses were James Jones and HARRIET ATKINSON.
Birth of Charles John:
Name: Charles John Whishaw Gender: Male Christening Date: 13 May 1800 Christening Place: OLD CHURCH,SAINT PANCRAS,LONDON,ENGLAND Birth Date: 07 Feb 1800 Father's Name: John Whishaw Mother's Name: Ann Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04793-8 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 597801, 597802, 597803, 597804, 597805
At least two more children baptised in the same location according to Familysearch.
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21 Apr 2015 21:08 |
Stephen Thomas from Harriet's will???
Name: Stephen Thos. Atkinson Gender: Male Christening Date: 07 Jul 1796 Christening Place: ST BOTOLPH WITHOUT ALDGATE,LONDON,LONDON,ENGLAND Birth Date: 16 Aug 1795 Father's Name: Thos. Atkinson Mother's Name: Harriot Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00633-8 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 370932
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21 Apr 2015 20:56 |
This might be a red herring, or it might be Septimus Edward with names reversed:
Name: Edwd Septimus Atkinson Gender: Male Christening Date: 20 Mar 1809 Christening Place: DEANE BY BASINGSTOKE,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND Father's Name: Thomas Atkinson Mother's Name: Harriet Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01408-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 0973049 IT 9 ,
I've posted a birth for Harriet in St Katherine Coleman previously, she is described in the will as the eldest daughter.
If the family moved around a bit, could this be Matilda from the will?
Name: Matilda Atkinson Gender: Female Christening Date: 1804 Christening Place: CHIGWELL,ESSEX,ENGLAND Father's Name: Thos Atkinson Mother's Name: Harriet Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04186-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 571177
Frederick???
Name: Frederick Atkinson Gender: Male Christening Date: 26 Nov 1807 Christening Place: DEANE BY BASINGSTOKE,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND Birth Date: 20 Oct 1807 Father's Name: Thomas Atkinson Mother's Name: Harriet Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01408-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 0973049 IT 9
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21 Apr 2015 20:44 |
The Harriet who died Fenchurch street 1836, had sons named Stephen Thomas, JAMES, Charles, Septimus Edward and Frederick (?), and daughters named Harriet, Emily Ann, Caroline and Matilda.
There certainly seems to be sums of thousands of pounds involved, and she mentions annuities.
She mentions her late husband THOMAS Atkinson.
There is quite a lot to the will, and although legible, it might take a while to read, and it mentions other wills, so I'm not sure if any of her children had already predeceased her.
Name: Harriet Atkinson Probate Date: 21 Jun 1836 Residence: London
The image of the will can be seen on Ancestry, let me know if you want to look at it.
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21 Apr 2015 17:27 |
I know the death record said parents were Thomas Atkinson and EMMA Jones, but there is this marriage for Thomas Atkinson and HARRIET Jones in Essex, at the right sort of time....
Thomas Atkinson England, Essex Parish Registers Name: Thomas Atkinson Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 13 Nov 1794 Event Place: Barking, Essex, England Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Harriet Jones GS Film Number: 1471843 , Digital Folder Number: 004047856 , Image Number: 00725
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21 Apr 2015 17:25 |
Not sure if this is the death of Harriet the witness at the marriage( the mother rather than the daughter):
Name: Harriet Atkinson Record Type: Burial Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1772 Death Date: abt 1836 Burial Date: 9 Apr 1836 Burial Place: St Katherine Coleman, England Parish or Poor Law Union: St Katherine Coleman Borough: City of London Register Type: Parish Register
Her abode was Fenchurch Street.
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21 Apr 2015 17:16 |
http://www.parramattahistorical.org.au/membersinterests.pdf
(according to above, from google search, he arrived about 1840 on Royal George, he was a Banker)
Chris :)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y
(if anything relating Aus. Newspapers)
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx
(another, always worth a look round, NSW)
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21 Apr 2015 17:14 |
One of the Ancestry trees has an image for the 1873 NSW death cert for James Atkinson, aged 73 years.
On that, the parents of James Atkinson, gentleman, are recorded as Thomas Atkinson, gentleman, and Emma Jones.
His birthplace is recorded as Essex, it confirms his marriage to Elizabeth Brown, and states there are 5 sons and 3 daughters living, and one son deceased.
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21 Apr 2015 16:52 |
Probably doesn't help, but at the time of the marriage (by licence) James Atkinson was a bachelor of the parish of St Catherine (sic) Coleman, London.
One of the witnesses was a Harriet Atkinson, probably a relative.
I can't find a baptism for James at St Katherine Coleman, and he may well have moved there at some time between birth and marriage.
There was one for a Harriet Atkinson, but I have no idea if she is the one who was a witness at the wedding:
Name: Harriet Atkinson Baptism Date: 18 Feb 1798 Parish: St Katherine Coleman County: London Borough: City of London Parent(s): Thomas Atkinson, Harriet Atkinson Record Type: Christening Register Type: Parish Register
There was also a George and Sarah Atkinson baptising a couple of children at St Katherine's, but no son James, and no idea if any connection as Atkinson is not an uncommon name:
Name: Caroline Atkinson Baptism Date: 6 Jan 1808 Parish: St Katherine Coleman County: London Borough: City of London Parent(s): George Atkinson, Sarah Atkinson Record Type: Baptism Register Type: Parish Register
Name: Charles Page Atkinson Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1809 Parish: St Katherine Coleman County: London Borough: City of London Parent(s): George Atkinson, Sarah Atkinson Record Type: Baptism Register Type: Parish Register
EDIT: Neither set of parents matches the parents on the death on the Ancestry tree that Maddie posted.
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21 Apr 2015 15:26 |
None of our info helps you with what you really want, does it?
I expect you already have all of it, anyway..........
You want to know who James snr's parents were....etc
Unfortunately, Essex is one of more difficult counties to research..........
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21 Apr 2015 15:25 |
Septimus
Birth 1833 6 Dec Swansea, Glamorgan, , Wales Marriage to Ann Grant/Cordwell 1863 Age: 30 Patrick Plains, , New South Wales, Australia 1 Source Marriage 1863 Age: 30 Patricks Plain, New South Wales, Australia 1 Source Death 1882 Age: 49 Singleton, , New South Wales, Australia
Name: Septimus E Atkinson Spouse Name: Anne Cordwell Marriage Date: 1863 Marriage Place: New South Wales Registration Place: Patricks Plain, New South Wales Registration Year: 1863 Registration Number: 2680
Name: Septimus E Atkinson Death Date: 1882 Death Place: New South Wales Father's name: James Mother's name: Elizabeth Registration Year: 1882 Registration Place: Singleton, New South Wales Registration Number: 11711
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