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My Gt aunt Margaret Mckenna, married a John Joseph Curran on 22nd July 1918 at St Georges Church Manchester. On the certificate he is down as being aged 22 years ,Bachelor, Profession is Private in R.W.F. (I presume this to be Royal Welch Fusiliers) and his home address was given as 6 Lavender St, Miles Platting, Manchester, and his father was also called John Curran and employed as a chemical worker; Margaret was living with her family at 15 Providence St. And that's all I have! I cannot find a 'concrete' birth although there are a few other John D, or F currans about. On the 1911 census, living at Margarets parents house is a Kate Curran aged 5?7, but down as married with no children - I initially wondered if she was John Joseph's mother? I have looked at war records but cannot find him there either (I have emailed the RWF but await their reply). I do not know what happened to them and my late mother never really mentioned them either although she once referred to an Uncle John who went to live for a while in ? South Africa. Anyone got any ideas of where I go next?

Thanks Jacqueline, I will certainly keep them - I literally have no more than what I have written. And as ever, it is not an uncommon name! I have noted several Irish Currans on various census and the area in Manchester where they lived had a lot of Irish people living there (including Margaret's father, Edward McKenna) so I wondered if he was as well? Thanks for your kind suggestions, anyway.

When and where did Margaret and John die?

I have no ides when they died Jacqueline. Interestingly, I saw on FREE BMD a john Curran died in Dec1937 and a Margaret Curran also died Dec 1937, but if this was them and they had died in an accident or something, I am sure my mum would have known and mentioned it? :-0

This, at least, clears up one question

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16 Dora St Manchester, Manchester, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Edward McKenna Head Married Male 45 1866 Lought Dundalk Resident Labourer Bricklayer Transcription
Alice McKenna Wife Married Female 43 1868 Manchester - Transcription
Alice McKenna Daughter Single Female 15 1896 Manchester Cap Maker Transcription
Maggie McKenna Daughter - Female 13 1898 Manchester School Transcription
Nellie McKenna Daughter - Female 11 1900 Manchester School Transcription
John McKenna Son - Male 4 1907 Manchester Infant Transcription
Kate Cullen Servant Married Female 57 1854 Manchester House Work

Check out the births of their children on freebmd

The Margaret who died in 1937 was aged 40, so about the right age

John was also 40...........but no second name

yes I have the 1911 census and there lies another mystery ….. Edward was born in Dundalk, Co Louth, as it says, but brick layer????? He was a poultry salesman on the Smithfield Market Manchester!!! hey ho …..!!

Eunice

I'm really sorry.............I got the maths wrong. It's been a hectic day, but even so.....................
:-S :-S :-S

Let's start again

I've deleted all the rubbish I posted

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First name(s) JOHN J
Last name CURRAN
Gender Male
Birth year 1895
Age 68
Death quarter 2
Death year 1963
District MANCHESTER
County Lancashire
Volume 10E
Page 228

No matching birth in England/Wales

People changed jobs.............just as they do today.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Hannah Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward McKinna Head Married Male 36 1865 Poultry Salesman Ireland Transcription
Alice McKinna Wife Married Female 33 1868 Tailoress Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Annie McKinna Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Edward McKinna Son - Male 7 1894 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Alice McKinna Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Maggie McKinna Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Nellie McKinna Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Mary Anderson Servant Single Female 17 1884 Domestic Servant Manchester, Lancashire, England

I will certainly follow up that death, it looks promising!
hahahahhahaha - yes, I could not originally find them on the 1901 census but a friends said " Say McKenna with a strong Irish accent, and quickly" ….. and you get McKinna!!!!!
Thanks for all of your help. Its off to bed now for me x

???

This one was a sergeant though

WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920

Name: John Curran
Military Year: 1914-1915
Rank: Sergeant
Medal Awarded: 1914-15 Star
Regiment or Corps: The Royal Welsh (Welch) Fusiliers
Regimental Number: 18873

Demob 6-3-19

Also for the same man:

Name: John Curran
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Sergeant
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: The Royal Welsh (Welch) Fusiliers
Regimental Number: 18873
Previous Units: 16/R.W. Fus. Sgt. 18873., 16/R.W. Fus., R.W. Fus. Infantry Base Depot., 16/R.W. Fus., 16/R.W. Fus., R.W. Fus. Infantry Base Depot., 16/R.W. Fus.

Ancestry has some of the war diaries for the RWF in the following collections:

All UK, WWI War Diaries (France, Belgium and Germany), 1914-1920

UK, WWI War Diaries (Gallipoli and Dardanelles), 1914-1916

Just in case this connects - the 1937 death seems to be this Margaret and an Alice McKenna was later buried with her in the same grave:


Burial:
27/10/1937 Margaret Curran Southern Cemetery TConsecrated 2206


Cemetery Section Grave Position Deceased
Southern Cemetery TConsecrated 2206 1 Margaret Curran
Southern Cemetery TConsecrated 2206 2 Alice McKenna


Alice's burial details:
23/08/1950 Alice McKenna Southern Cemetery TConsecrated 2206


Dea x

A John Curran was buried on 23/10/1937 and the details of those in his grave are:


Cemetery Section Grave Position Deceased
Southern Cemetery TConsecrated 2205 1 John Curran buried 23/10/1937
Southern Cemetery TConsecrated 2205 2 Eda Harold buried 12/05/1949
Southern Cemetery TConsecrated 2205 3 John Curran buried 23/12/1961
Southern Cemetery TConsecrated 2205 4 Edith Curran buried 24/12/1981



The grave numbers for both are consecutive - I don't know if this means that they were buried side by side or if it is just because they were around the same date??

Dea x

There is a death for John Joseph in 1973 in Stockport dob 6 August 1895

Name: John Joseph Curran
Birth Date: 6 Aug 1895
Date of Registration: Dec 1973
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Stockport
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 1720

The 1963 burial details:

Cemetery Section Grave Position Deceased
Southern Cemetery MRoman Catholic 1470 1 Mr John Joseph Curran buried 28/10/1963
Southern Cemetery MRoman Catholic 1470 2 Mrs Sylvia Beatrice Curran buried 13/06/1978


The burial info is from this site:

http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenSearch.aspx

I have only been using the free search section but you can buy credits to see more info.

Dea x

Oh my goodness you have all been busy! Thank you all so much, I shall have to investigate some of these! Kucinta, that seems very likely so I will follow that, as does all the burial things in Manchester's Southern cemetery - yes Dea, that Alice Mckenna, wife of Edward, died at home in Dale Street December 1950 so it looks like you have found a link there too. I have Alice's death cert, so will get Margarets first and then see where that leads me. Thank you all so very much xxxx

Based on Dea's excellent info..........the death fits the age as per census


Deaths Sep 1950 (>99%)
McKenna Alice 81 Manchester 10e 300

AND....................

As the 1937 death certainly seems very likely to be Margaret, there are these to consider


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1943
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CURRAN John J LINAKER Gertrude Arstall Salford Register Office or Registrar Attended Salford SAL/215/188


OR

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1954
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CURRAN John Joseph JOHNSTON Marie Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester MCR/202/135

ps - I will copy that link Dea as well, it could be useful for more of them!!xx :-D ;-)