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Hi Jacqueline

Thank you for your reply.

Yes, Sheila is actually my friends mother. He gave me the information. I ordered the birth certificate last week but it hasnt arrived yet.

Let's hope it holds the answer.....although it's looking very much as though her parents didn't marry

Is the 1978 death in Leeds that of her father?

I hope so.

Thank you for trying to help.

I'm assuming it is her fathers death but it doesnt really do to assume anything in this game does it?

I'm waiting for his reply to my email for more information as I'm also struggling with the birth of the aforementioned Arthur C Hambly. Just my luck that there seems to be two born in the same area in the same year.

HAMBLY ALICE AMY
Date of Probate: 07 February 2008
Probate Number: 2666055
Date of Death: 05 December 2007
Grant and will Winchester

Index:
Name: Mrs Alice Amy Hambly
Gender: Female
Age: 91
Birth Date: 14 May 1916
Death Date: 5 Dec 2007
Residence Place at Death: Sutton, England
Postal Code District: SM2
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HAMBLY ALFRED CHARLES
Date of Probate 11 November 2005
Probate Number: 1984119
Date of Death: 20 September 2005
Grant and will Winchester

Thank you Gritty

I'm getting the feeling that you may be on the right track with this. Maybe they moved away from the Yorkshire area, although I had thought the death I found in Leeds was the correct one.

The 2005 death is for Alfred not Arthur.

Really need to confirm Sheila's father's Christian name.
If it's Arthur, Looks like he was born and died in Leeds.
Where did the Cornwall information come from ?

I know not much can be done until you get more info- however, just in case:

Afred C Hambly and Alice are on the Surrey electoral registers in 1938 & 1939- I don't see them again in Surrey until 1964. So it is possible they moved to Yorkshire during the war- My husband's father was transferred to Whitby to run a factory (the Rover Factory) during the war.

Having said that- I've just realised that there were no electoral registers during the war years- but there are births for possible siblings of Sheila in Surrey.

The year of death for your friend's grandparents, and names of Sheila's siblings would be a real help! :-)

It came from my friend (his Grandson) who emailed me this morning with the information.

If the death is right, this is the ONLY birth to fit


Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
Hambly Arthur C Johns St.Austell 5c 167


Is Sheila contactable?

Yes, she is - but my friend is texting her and she's not the quickest at getting back to him.

I also found another birth in the same year with the mothers maiden name semmons - or does that not fit with the quarter?

Actually Jacqueline you have a point. The other Arthur C born in the same year has mothers maiden name as Semmens so the one you found with the mothers maiden name of Johns is the only one it can be.

Now to find a marriage between a Hambly and a Johns. :-S

The one born with MMN Semmens was born too soon to be the man who died in 1978

Oh dear, they are a problem, aren't they?

Two (possibly) Hambly/Johns marriages in Liskeard.



Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)

Ball Edwin John Liskeard 5c 105
Hambly Albert Liskeard 5c 105
Johns Lucy Liskeard 5c 105
Snowden Edith Ethel Liskeard 5c




Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
HAMBLY Edwin Liskeard 5c 97
JOHNS Mary Ann R Liskeard 5c 97


Several births in Liskeard, and only one in St Austell


Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
HAMBLY Ethel L Johns Liskeard 5c 105


Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
Hambly Mary L M Johns Liskeard 5c 72

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
Hambly Arthur C Johns St.Austell 5c 167

Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
Hambly George H Johns Liskeard 5c 63
Hambly Georgine E Johns Liskeard 5c 63


Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
Hambly Florence A Johns Liskeard 5c 73

Births Jun 1922 (>99%)
Hambly Bertram R Johns Liskeard 5c 70

The couple who married in 1908

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Greenhead, Linkinhorne, Cornwall, England

Birth Place First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation
Plynt Cornwall Edwin Hambly Head Married Male 29 1882 Farm Labourer Transcription
Menheniot Cornwall Mary Ann Hambly Wife Married Female 26 1885 - Transcription
Linkinhorne Cornwall William Edwin Hambly Son Single Male 1 1910 - Transcription
Census details

Okay, curioser and curioser.

Friend just got back to me. Sheila has two sisters, Jennifer and Christine.

After all the searching he has told me that Amy was 'taken in' by the Meads and was never formally adopted so I think I can kiss that one goodbye. Honestly, some people think we can work miracles or are mindreaders.

Amy did have a 'brother' (natural son of the Meads) called Cyril who died about 30 years ago.

Edit: Strangley, when looking at Sheila & Christines births they both have the mothers maiden name of Mead but Jennifers mothers m/n says Alderson. That was actually picked up on by one of the posters earlier wasnt it?

And the ones who married in 1906..............I'd hoped that Albert would have been with the other woman on the page. No such luck

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Headland Pelynt, Pelynt, Cornwall, England

Birth Place First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation
Cornwall Water Gate Talland Albert Hambly Head Married Male 32 1879 Farmer Transcription
Cornwall St Cleer Lucy Hambly Wife Married Female 28 1883 - Transcription
Cornwall Headland Pelynt Lilian Maud Hambly Daughter Singel Female 4 1907

I think the tree just withered....................

Jennifer's (born 1950) MMN was ALDERSON.....................

No other birth with the same MMN

Seems you've opened a real can of worms

Christine's birth has MMN Mead

Youre not wrong there Jacqueline!

It would suggest then that Amy was in fact called Alderson, and maybe she registered one of girls birth whereas maybe her husband did the other two and automatically said Mead because he'd always known her as Mead.

Thanks to all you guys for your help and patience, I really do appreciate it.

Could this be why the Meads 'took her in'?

Too early for formal adoption, of course


Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Alderson Amy Alderson Richmond Y. 9d 1228