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My Grandmother was born in 1900 and was named Olivia Millicent Buckle. Clarissa was her mother. I am trying to find if and when she married James George Buckle between 1896 and 1900. Can find no trace of Clarissa before or after the birth of my grandmother even though on the 1901 census it says that she was born in 1878 in Huntingdonshire.

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

171, Worple Road, Wimbledon, Kingston, Surrey, England

James G Buckle Head Married Male 48 1853 Architect Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Clarissa O Buckle Wife Married Female 23 1878 - Huntington
Olivia M Buckle Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Wimbledon, Surrey, England

As you said, Clarissa not with family in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Ringley Avenue Horley, Horley, Surrey, England

London Marylebone James George Buckle Head Married Male Architect 58 1853
Wimbledon Olivia Millicent Buckle Daughter - Female School 10 1901
Wimbledon Thomas George Buckle Son - Male - 7 1904
Cardiff Slam Gabriel Pedrazzini Visitor Married Male Retired Hardware Merchant 50 1861
Newport Mon Annie Pedrazzini Visitor - Female - 38 1873

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ringley Avenue Horley, Horley, Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
James George Buckle Head Married Male Architect 58 1853 London Marylebone
Olivia Millicent Buckle Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Wimbledon
Thomas George Buckle Son - Male - 7 1904 Wimbledon
Gabriel Pedrazzini Visitor Married Male Retired Hardware Merchant 50 1861 Cardiff Slam
Annie Pedrazzini Visitor - Female - 38 1873 Newport Mon

James has mistakenly completed as Married 12 years - so 1898/9

She's somewhat elusive....

(if I say that, someone will come on here and prove me wrong ;-)

James had been married previously, did his wife definitely die, or was he perhaps not free to marry Clarissa?

Census 1881:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

245, Elm Park, Lambeth, London, England

James Geo Buckle Head Married Male 28 1853 Architect Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Sarah Ann Buckle Wife Married Female 26 1855 - Hull, Yorkshire, England
Dora Grace Paul Servant Single Female 15 1866 Gen Dom Servt Battersea, Surrey, England


Edit: This may be a death for Sarah Ann of the right sort of age:

Deaths Sep 1896 Buckle Sarah Ann 41 Wandsworth 1d 358

Kucinta


I was looking for that very same thing ........... and thought that 1896 death was a fitting one for Sarah Ann

Clarissa seems to appear and then disappear.


I did note that one Public Family Tree was querying whether her birthplace Huntington was actually in the US ........ so I've also been looking on the passenger lists. Nothing that seemed like an "ah ha" moment

I looked at this as I thought she had an unusual name combination and could have been sticking close to the truth later in life. The age is out compared to the 1901 census and/or she could have married a Fisher before a Buckle
England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) CLARISSA OLIVIA
Last name MANN
Birth year 1871
Birth quarter 1
District HUNTINGDON
County Huntingdonshire
Country England
Volume 3B
Page 289

However - The family is in Brampton, Hunts 1871, in Lincs by 1881, Bradford 1891 transcribed on FMP as Clarissa Otham (O Mann on original) marries Edward Sockett in Yorkshire 1896, is widowed by 1901 and marries a Herbert Jackson in Yorkshire 1905 and is there on the 1911 census. Will leave for elimination.

HI Sylvia, David did say marriage between 1896 and 1900, so I suspect he either knows, or believes as we do, that the 1896 death is that of the first Mrs Buckle.

Not getting anywhere with Clarissa as either Fisher or Buckle apart from the 1901.

Passenger lists were a good idea - I did British marriages abroad but no joy. The census image does say Huntington rather than Huntingdon, but you never know if the enumerator wrote the census book up wrong.

Think I'm going to have to give up and go to bed.

Looks like James G died in 1924 in wandsworth - I was wondering if Clarissa might show up in either London or Surrey ERs with him, but no joy.

Nothing on Scotland's People either - so they didn't do a romantic elopement!

Hi Kucinta

I also gave up ............... went for dinner :-)


greyghost ..............

that was a good thought!


but she seems to have drifted in, and then out, of James and the children's lives.

I assume that the boy Thomas George was her son?



I did note that James and his first wife seem not to have had any children

James George Buckle appears to have been an architect that specialised in building theatres (according to newspaper archives and Google).

Could Clarissa be someone he met via a theatrical connection?

David, what information does it give on your grandmother's birth certificate?

MarieCeleste, that does sound quite a good theory. Clarissa was certainly a lot younger than him, so perhaps he was smitten, but they didn't have enough in common to sustain the match?

I've also looked for admissions to asylums, and divorce petitions, but nothing showing in England and Wales.

I admit to looking and being stumped.....

Perhaps Clarissa was a stage name?

Jude

Could David be reading the birth surname wrongly and was her mother's name 'Cheshire' ?

This looks like the death for the daughter of the mysterious Clarissa


Name:Olivia Millicent Cheshire

Birth Date:25 Jul 1900

Date of Registration:Apr 1985

Age at Death:84

Registration district:Surrey Mid-eastern

Inferred County:Surrey

Volume:17

Page:161


I'm not seeing a marriage for a 'Buckle' to a 'Cheshire'


Scrub that...........the marriage was in 1923!

Welcome to the Community boards David

(I'll let David know how to find his replies) :-)

found the marriage buckle to cheshire

Marriages Dec 1923 (>99%)
Buckle Olivia M Cheshire Wandsworth 1d 1259 Scan available - click to view
Cheshire Albert G Buckle Wandsworth 1d 1259

Yvonne ......

Gins had already found that ............. see her post at 17:33

and Olivia Milicent is David's grandmother, so I presume that he also has that information.

Thank you to everyone who has tried to answer my conundrum. You have all found the same information as me. James George Buckle first wife did die in 1896. If my Grandmothers birth certificate is correct and he did marry again I am assuming that it was between 1896 and 1900 although I am beginning to believe that he did not marry for a second time. Thanks again for your input.

David

loving a puzzle ... :-)

just wanting to check ... daughter Olivia Millicent's birth certificate gives mother's name as Clarissa Olivia Millicent Buckle formerly Fisher?

technically that would make Fisher her birth name ... if she had been previously married there would be a "late Smith" sort of entry ... unless, of course, she was still married and fudging it!

also wondering whether the birth certificate for the son has been obtained

Births Jun 1903
Buckle Thomas George Kingston 2a 387

to verify the mother's information there

first marriage of james buckle

Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%)
BUCKLE James George Pancras 1b 11
HAWKINS Sarah Anne Pancras 1b 11

Did either James George or his first wife Sarah Anne leave a will?

I've been looking on ancestry and can't see them shown under probate.