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Thankyou it's all coming together and fingers crossed the father named on George's birth certificate is either Andrew Henry or Henry Andrew I'm hoping that Andrew & Henry are the same person.

Joan

This looks to be the burial of the James McCarthy that Chris has found

Name James McCarthy
Parish of St Andrew, Plymouth
Date 14 Oct 1852
Age 31
Address King Street

A possible death for James Mccarthy?????????


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1852 (>99%)
MCCARTHY James Plymouth 5b 10_
McCarthy James Plymouth 5b 180

I have ordered George's birth certificate to hopefully answer the question of his father.

Why would George's father be stated as Henry if it was Andrew ??

unless Andrew died or was on a trip when George was conceived by
Henry ???

or was father upgraded to look good on paper and perhaps he didn't exist at all

parish records need to be searched for answers or clues

Mavis

Marriage details for Andrew Apple from Parish Marriage Records

Date 2 Feb 1836 Stoke Damerel
Groom Andrew Apple occ Mariner
Bride Mary Bone Spinister
Both of this Parish
Witnesses Grace Alice ( her mark) & Geo Nettle

Details are limited due to marriage taking place pre1837

This ties in nicely with the1851 census for Mary Heppel a married servant at 4 Stopford Place. Can't wait for the birth certificate to arrive with fathers name. I haven't been able to find more on Andrew Apple yet.
Thankyou

Joan

Details of the James McCarthy Marriage

First name(s) James
Last name Mccarthy Widower occ Mariner
Age 35
Birth year 1816
Marriage year 1851
Marriage date 10 Dec 1851
Denomination Anglican
Place Stoke Damerel
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name McCarthy occ Mariner
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Apple Widow
Spouse's age 38
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Bone occ Farmer
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
County Devon
Record set Devon Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Address for Groom 6 York Place
Address for Bride 4 Stopford Place

Witnesses Richard Thomas Halse and John Symonds

Hi, I have already ordered the certificate for George Apple and it will be interesting to see the parents names as I have found a marriage for Andrew Apple and Mary Bone. Stoke Dameral 1836.
I am tempted by the marriage certificate of Mary Apple and James McCarthy but will wait for the birth one to arrive. Once again thankyou.

Joan

Bear in mind George's Mum might not have been married to his Father. Father's names were often made up to save face and it might have been preferable to say married to an employer than single with child!

It might be worth risking the birth certificate for George Apple to see who are named as parents - is there a Father named on that and is the mother nee, formerly or widow.

And the marriage certificate of James McCarthy and Mary Apple would give the name of both bride and grooms Fathers and whether or not spinster/bachelor or widow/er and should include maiden and former names of the bride.

Hi Chris

It sounds good I am very grateful for your time and help. Just Mary and Henrys. Marriage to find now. Many Many thanks

Joan

Birth????

Births Sep 1841 (>99%)
Apple George Stoke Damerel 9 439

This might be worth further investigation (Mary being transcribed as Apple):

Piece: HO107/275 Place: Devonport Borough -Devon Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel Ecclesiastical Parish: Stoke Damerel
Folio: 12 Page: 19
Address: Higher Portland Place

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GRYLLS John M 45 Clerk Devon
GRYLLS Sarah F 40 Devon
GRYLLS Sarah F 15 Devon
GRYLLS Harriett F 15 Devon
GRYLLS Annabella F 15 Outside Census County (1841)
GRYLLS Elizabeth F 14 Outside Census County (1841)
Page: 13/20 GRYLLS William M 11 Outside Census County (1841)
GRYLLS Ellen F 9 Outside Census County (1841)
GRYLLS Mary F 7 Devon
GRYLLS Adelaide F 3 Devon
APPLE Mary F 30 F.S. Devon<<<<<<<<<<<






and then this possible marriage??????


Marriages Dec 1851 (>99%)
Apple Mary Stoke Daml 9 603<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Batten William Stoke Dal. 9 603
Broad Harriet Stoke Daml 9 603
BROADBRIDGE Alfred Stoke Daml 9 603
DOIDGE Mary Ann Stoke Daml. 9 603
McCarthy James Stoke Daml. 9 603 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Rattenbury Ann Baker Stoke Dal 9 603
TAPPER James Stoke Daml 9 603

Hi Gins/Margee,

This is interesting as if George was a lodger in 1851 then could Mary Heppel servant in 1851 be his mother? I have looked at many weird and wonderful variations on Happel but not Keppel. Many many thanks. I think you may well be right.

Joan

Looking at it again, Gins, there is a possibilty that it's Hepple. Beside Jane McPhail's name it says "Husband at sea" That H looks very much like the first letter of George's surname.

Hi Gins/Margee,

This is interesting as if George was a lodger in 1851 then could Mary Heppel servant in 1851 be his mother? I have looked at many weird and wonderful variations on Happel but not Keppel. Many many thanks. I think you may well be right.

Joan

Pretty sure it's him as I can't see any other records for George Kepple

I wondered about that one too, Gins. It's definitely Keppel on original.

Would someone compare the surname (writing) to the 1861 census please

I think this is him



Name:George Keppel

Age:9

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1842

Relation:Lodger

Gender:Male

Where born:Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

Civil Parish:Stoke Damerel

Ecclesiastical parish:St Paul

Town:Devonport

County/Island:Devon

Registration district:Stoke Damerel

Sub-registration district:Morice

ED, institution, or vessel:1c

Household schedule number:281

Piece:1882
Folio:133
Page Number:53

Household Members:

Jane McPhail 39
William McPhail 14
Margaret McPhail 12
Archibald McPhail 6
Janette McPhail 4
George Keppel 9

if this is mary
cert may cast some light on it


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Name: Mary McCarthy
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Registration Year: 1868
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Devonshire
Volume: 5b
Page: 240