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Thanks PH - have been popping in and out of the tennis all afternoon/evening and have only just seen your comment.

I wonder if the parents of the girls went their separate ways?

Using http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage: 22 Jan 1827 Holy Trinity, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Ledsham - Smith, This parish
Rachell Lowe - Spinster, This parish
Witness: James Nuttall; Betty Nuttall
Married by Banns by: R. H. Formby Curate of St. Pauls
Register: Marriages 1826 - 1837, Page 26, Entry 77
Source: LDS Film 1656016


These are the only Ledrham's in piece 128 on Ancestry.
There is a correction saying the name is Ledsham.
I don't have a sub, so can't see if there are non-Ledsham's in the h/h.

1841 [ho107/128/?/?/?]
Name Estimated birth year Birthplace Residence View Image
William Ledrham abt 1806 Cheshire, England city, Cheshire
Rachel Ledrham abt 1806 Cheshire, England city, Cheshire
Catharine Ledrham abt 1828 Cheshire, England city, Cheshire
Jane Ledrham abt 1830 Cheshire, England city, Cheshire
Margaret Ledrham abt 1832 Cheshire, England city, Cheshire
Richard Ledrham abt 1834 Cheshire, England city, Cheshire
Susannah Ledrham abt 1834 Cheshire, England city, Cheshire
Sarah Ledrham abt 1836 Cheshire, England city, Cheshire
[NB Adult (15+) ages are supposed to be rounded down to a mult of 5 in 1841]

FMP/FS spell as Ledsham
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7M1-TDT


Using: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
Bp of Sarah & some sibs
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3VP-Q8Z

C https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3VP-H6X
J https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3VP-HR8
M https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3VP-S5J
R https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3VP-384
J https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3VP-7HY
W https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3NC-N68

Note these baptisms give mid-names of Lowe/Low/Nuttall, so I'm pretty confident abt the marr transcription above.


Using http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
In particular http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1857
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LEDSHAM Sarah A HORSFALL John M Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool 2053LP/34/443



Births Sep 1839 (>99%)
Ledsham Jonathan Wirral 19 313

Deaths Mar 1840 (>99%)
LEDSHAM JONATHAN WIRRAL 19 303

Using http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1837 to 1839
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
LEDSHAM Jonathan Wallasey Wirral WAL/1/51

Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
LEDSHAM Jonathan 0 Wallasey Wirral WAL/1/44

Thank you all for your help in this matter. The information provided has helped me add a few more details. I am struggling now with a lady called Jessie H King b.1875 daughter of William 1854 and Sarah E Horsfall 1860

Thanks

In what way?

Where was her birth registered?

Are you sure she was born to a 15-year old girl?

KING SARAH EVELINE 1860 1885 1885 Deaths & burials Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

First name(s) William Henry Sandford
Last name King
Age 22y

Father's name William King (Clerk)
Marriage year 1875
Marriage date 31 Oct 1875
Marriage place Birkenhead
Parish St. Anne
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah Eveline
Spouse's last name Horsfall
Spouse's age 21y
Bride's father's name John Horsfall (Ship's Carpenter)
City or town Birkenhead
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 1 p 135

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Saxon Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William H S King Head Widower Male 36 1855 Blacksmith Australia Transcription
Jessie H King Daughter - Female 16 1875 - Wallasey, Cheshire, England



First name(s) William Henry Sandford
Last name King
Birth year 1854
Birth date 12 Jun 1854
Place Collingwood
County Australia
Country Australia
Event type Birth
Reference 66631 118
Record set British civil service evidence of age

The 'H' is for Horsfall. HAD to be born before the marriage, in view of age on census.

So not William's child


Births Jun 1875 (>99%)
HORSFALL Jessie Birkenhead 8a 549


Her mother would have been barely 16 when she had her, but, of course, that wasn't illegal in those days


Births Jun 1859 (>99%)
HORSFALL Sarah Evaline Wirral 8a 422

There is a fascinating 'Civil Service Evidence of Age' document relating to William on FMP

As you don't have your own computer, I can't send it to you

It's a declaration by his maternal Aunt, one Jane Nuttall Croxton, Licensed Victualler

Of course, as William wasn't Jessie's father, they aren't related to you, unless, of course, it was Sarah who was not related...........and William IS in your family

First name(s) JANE NUTTALL
Last name CROXTON
Gender Female
Age 79
Birth year 1830
Burial year 1909
Burial date 16 Jan 1909
Place HOOSE
Residence Hoylake,
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 5 p 89
Record group Part 1 - 1

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stringhey Road, Liscard, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Croxton Head Married Male 33 1828 Cordwainer - Transcription
Jane N Croxton Wife Married Female 30 1831 Laundress - Transcription
Catherine Croxton Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar - Transcription
Fanny Croxton Daughter - Female 1 1860 -



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
89, Market Street, Hoylake cum West Kirby, Wirral, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane N Croxton Head Widow Female 71 1830 - Wallasey, Cheshire, England Transcription
Ada Croxton Daughter Single Female 39 1862 Housemaid Domestic West Derby, Lancashire, England Transcription
Rachel McAlpine Visitor Single Female 25 1876 Laundress Anfield, Lancashire, England Transcription
George H Tebbs Grand Son Single Male 22 1879 Fisherman Kirkdale, Lancashire, England Transcription
Joseph Williams Boarder Single Male 25 1876 Brewer's Carter Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Transcription



Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Croxton Joseph Wirrall 19 361
Ledsham Jane Wirral 19 361

It's not really his maternal aunt, I think, but more likely his wife's.

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1849
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LEDSHAM Jane CROXTON Joseph Wallasey, St Hilary Wirral C11/1/151

That was not how the document read to me.

Perhaps you've also read it, and put a different slant on the lady's words

Isn't that the marriage I posted?

FULL info

First name(s) Jane
Last name Ledsham
Marriage year 1849
Marriage date 15 Nov 1849
Marriage place Wallasey
Parish St. Hillary
Spouse's first name(s) Joseph
Spouse's last name Croxton
Bride's father's name William Ledsham
City or town Wallasey
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 6 p 76

First name(s) Margaret
Last name Ledsham
Marriage year 1852
Marriage date 11 Apr 1852
Marriage place Wallasey
Parish St. Hillary
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name King
Bride's father's name William Ledsham
City or town Wallasey
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 6 p 93


Sarah Eveline HORSFALL'S husband's father was William..as per marriage cert

Mark.....any thoughts?

Just to clarify my relationship is to Sarah Evaline Horsfall 1860-1885 who had a daughter Jessie in 1875.. Thanks

So what about all the info?

Did I waste my time?

The least you could do is read it..................

The least you could do is read it..................For your information I have read it. I cannot verify all information just like that. I will be going to Lancashire and Cheshire record offices in due course, when I have transport to take me .. Thanks

Well, you gave no indication of having done so............

Family history is meant to be an enjoyable past time, I appreciate your help but as I am in a wheelchair and rely on transport I have no option but to wait for assistance.