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Hi, I really need to get to the library (as its free) but just wondered if someone would be able to do me a favour, I'm looking for my great grandmother he name was Beatrice Martin from cornwall, she married my great grandfather emlyn thomas I think in wales, around the 1890 ish ish, is far as i'm aware they had about 8 children, but I can't find anything for the marriage, any help would be greatly appreciated :-)

hmmm - so many Beatrice Martin's in Cornwall around that time

I can't see a marriage with these names any time between 1880 and 1900 :-S

and of course, so many Thomas's in Wales

Who was the child from which you are descended please?

I wonder about this one if you are not 100% certain it was Emlyn

Name: Beatrice M Thomas
Age in 1901: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse: James Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Pontsnooth, Cornwall, England
[Portsmouth, Cornwall, England]
Civil Parish: Llantrisant

Ecclesiastical parish: Llantrisant
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Llantrisant
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 5007
Folio: 51
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Thomas 43
Beatrice M Thomas 34
Charlotte M Thomas 18
Idris M Thomas 16
Arthur J Thomas 14
Beatrice E Thomas 11
Blodwen Thomas 10
James M Thomas 8
Gwendoline Thomas 6
Ivor M Thomas 4
Gladys M Thomas 2
Sarah A Gribble 78


marriage

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)

Martin Beatrice Mary Pontypridd 11a 613
Thomas James Pontypridd 11a 613

Ok so from your tree you have this Emlyn Thomas born 1876

Births Jun 1876 (>99%)
THOMAS Emlyn Llandilofawr 11a 879

so marriage will be from 1894 onwards.

that's it, I had some of the children but not all, your brilliant :-)

yes I think that's right 1894, just couldn\t find a thing

But that census is for a James, not Emlyn? So is that the right family? If you could tell us which of the children was your grandfather we can double check.

My grandad was glanarwed thomas born 1903/4 its different in different places died in 1981 he has brother/sisters beatrice ellen, blodwen, gladys, jim or james, ivor, idris, olden and arthur, my mum said there was more too

here's Glanarwed then


ame: Beatrice Thomas
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Gwraig (Wife)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Penryn, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Neath Lower
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County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: Brynhyfryd Abergarwed Resolven Nr Neath
Marital Status: Priod (Married)
Years Married: 28
Estimated Marriage Year: 1883
Registration district: Neath
Registration District Number: 592
Sub-registration district: Cadoxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 39
Piece: 32679
Household Members:
Name Age
James Thomas 53
Gladys Thomas 12
Olwen Thomas 9
Glanarwed Thomas 7 <<<<<<<<<<<
Beatrice Thomas 44
Idris Thomas 26
Arthur Thomas 24
Beatrice Thomas 21
Blodwen Thomas 20
James Thomas 18
Gwendoline Thomas 16
Ivor Thomas

12 children born , 1 had died by 1911

So Ivor died? So the dad was James not emlyn

No Ivor was alive in 1911 , sorry my copy and paste missed off that he was 14, possibly one born and died between census. Charlotte M the eldest probably married 1903

Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)
THOMAS Charlotte Mary Neath 11a 1393

this is them in 1891

Name: Beatrice M Thomas
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Pontsanorth, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Llantrisant
Ecclesiastical parish: Llantrisant
Town: Gilfach Goch
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub registration district: Llantrisant
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4417
Folio: 128
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
James Thomas 33
Beatrice M Thomas 24
Charlotte M Thomas 8
Idris M Thomas 6
Arthur J Thomas 4
Beatrice E Thomas 1
Blodwen Thomas 1/12
Sarah A Gribble 68

I would love to know what you subscribe to, would be great to get all this info, so do you think emlyn was born James?

I took the census from Ancestry.

This looks like Glanarwed's birth ( freebmd.org.uk) so his middle name is Emlyn... I wonder if father James had the middle name Emlyn too?

Births Sep 1903 (>99%)
Thomas Glanarwad Emlyn Neath 11a 1015

ah yes he did, so people may have called him emlyn when he was actually james

Probably so. there's quite a lot of James Thomas's born in Wales same date so probably need his father's name from the marriage cert.

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)

Martin Beatrice Mary Pontypridd 11a 613
Thomas James Pontypridd 11a 613

Sarah A Gribble present on both the 1891 and 1901 censuses was born ca 1823, Falmouth, Cornwall.

In 1891, she is shown as a Boarder, and as Visitor in 1901


I wonder if there is a connection between Beatrice and Sarah??

I'm puzzled


IF Beatrice was born in 1867, she was only 15 when she married in 1882.


Her birthplace is shown as Pontsanorth in 1891, Pontsnooth in 1901, and Penrhyn in 1911.

The 1901 birthplace has been corrected to Portsmouth by someone, but it doesn't look like Portsmouth on the image to me


There is only 1 Beatrice M Martin born ca 1867/68 showing up on the 1871 and 1881 Censuses, and she is still under that name in 1891 .............. and she was born in Penrhyn



Looking at Sarah A Gribble, she is with her husband in the 1871 census living in the civil parish of St Gluvias, but the town is called Ponsanooth :-D

Civil Parish: St Gluvias
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gluvias
Town: Ponsanooth <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England


AND

looking at the image, Sarah Gribble is living next door to a Martin family ...........


Name: Hannibal Martin
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary J Martin
Gender: Male
Where born: St Gluvias, England
Civil Parish: St Gluvias
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gluvias
Town: Ponsanooth
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Falmouth
Sub-registration district: Penryn
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 2297
Folio: 44
Page Number: 11

Hannibal Martin 31 Labourer
Mary J Martin 28 b.ca 1843, Lanivet, Cornwall
Betarice M Martin 4 b.ca 1867, St Gluvias <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ellen Martin 1 b.ca 1870, St Gluvias


Beatrice is not with them in 1881 ............ could she have already moved to Wales??