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Im trying to find more information on my gr grandparents Martha 1855c and John 1853.
I believe on 1901 cenus they were living at Gilbert Road?? Smethwick and possibly 1911 census Bertram Road, but the later I am not sure if it is the correct couple.
In my searches I have found that there are two couples of the same name and approx. d.o.b. my enquiry is that I would like to know exactly where they are buried and any other info. I have found a death in Worcester of all places and the ages etc., fall into place but also the other couple whose deaths are recorded in Rowley Regis again ages etc., tie up.
Is there anyway i can find which is the correct couple without sending for death certificates. any info would be greatly appreciated.

Surely you can tell which couple on the census by the name of the child from whom you descend?

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John E Rowley Head Married Male 48 1853 Stationary Engine Driver Dawley, Shropshire, England Transcription
Martha Rowley Wife Married Female 46 1855 - Dawley, Shropshire, England Transcription
Edwin B Rowley Son Single Male 19 1882 Baker's Deliverer Dawley, Shropshire, England Transcription
Thomas C Rowley Son Single Male 17 1884 Boot Sellers Assistant Dawley, Shropshire, England Transcription
William H Rowley Son Single Male 16 1885 Engine Steam Fitter Dawley, Shropshire, England Transcription
Harold J Rowley Son Single Male 11 1890 School Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription
Census details
First name(s) John E
Last name Rowley
Relationship Head
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 48
Birth year 1853
Occupation Stationary Engine Driver
Birth town Dawley
Birth town as transcribed DAWLEY
Birth county Shropshire
Birth county as transcribed SHROPSHIRE
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) JOHN, MARTHA, EDWIN, THOMAS, WILLIAM, HAROLD
Other household member last name ROWLEY
Street Gilbert Road
Town -
Parish Smethwick (Staffordshire)
City -
Country England
County Worcestershire
Municipal ward Bearwood
Registration district Kings Norton
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 2819
Folio 73
Page 19
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from United Kingdom

this them?


John E Rowley

England and Wales Census, 1901

Name John E Rowley
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Smethwick (Staffordshire), Worcestershire, England
County Worcestershire
Civil Parish Smethwick (Staffordshire)
Ecclesiastical Parish St Chads Smethwick
Sub-District Harborne
Registration District Kings Norton
Residence Note Gilbert Road
Gender Male
Age 48
Occupation STATIONARY ENGINE DRIVER
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1853
Birthplace Dawley, Shropshire
Schedule Type 113
Page Number 19


Household

John E Rowley Head M 48 Dawley, Shropshire
Martha Rowley Wife F 46 Dawley, Shropshire
Edwin B Rowley Son M 19 Dawley, Shropshire
Thomas C Rowley Son M 17 Dawley, Shropshire
William H Rowley Son M 16 Dawley, Shropshire
Harold J Rowley Son M 11 Birmingham, Warwickshire

already posted that census


this is the same couple son harold is still at home

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Edwin Rowley Head Married Male Stationary Engine Man 58 1853 Shropshire Dawley Transcription
Martha Rowley Wife Married Female - 55 1856 Shropshire Dawley Transcription
Harold John Rowley Son Single Male Clerk Office 21 1890 Warwickshire B Ham Transcription
Census details
First name(s) John Edwin
Last name Rowley
Relationship Head
Marital status Married
Sex Male
Occupation Stationary Engine Man
Age 58
Birth year 1853
Birth place Shropshire Dawley
Address 16 Bertram Road Smethwick
Parish Smethwick
County Worcestershire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Kings Norton
Registration district number 383
Enumeration district 22
District number -
Sub district Smethwick
Sub district number 4
Census reference RG14PN17964 RG78PN1094 RD383 SD4 ED22 SN207
Piece number 17964
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) HAROLD, JOHN, MARTHA
Other household member last name ROWLEY
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from United Kingdom

Name John Edwin Rowley
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
County Worcestershire
Parish Smethwick
Sub-District Smethwick
Registration District Kings Norton
Gender Male
Age 58
Birthplace Dawley, Shropshire
Record Type Household

John E Rowley

England and Wales Census, 1881

Name John E Rowley
Age (Original) 28
Gender Male
Birth Year 1853
Birthplace Dawley, Shropshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Marital Status Married
Occupation Engine Fitter
Address Myfords Flat
Event Place Dawley, Shropshire, England
Record Type Household
Affiliate Publication Number RG11
Piece/Folio 2636 / 77
Page Number 23

John E Rowley Head M 28 Dawley, Shropshire, England
Martha Rowley Wife F 24 Dawley, Shropshire, England
Florence S E Rowley Daughter F 2 Dawley, Shropshire, England
Martha A Rowley Daughter F 3 Dawley, Shropshire, England
Edwin B Rowley Son M 0 Dawley, Shropshire, England

Margee I understand your questioning but it would be a number of years later for their deaths and the children would be married by 1911 anyway.
Now Ann of Cardiff, yes exactly the family but now I am wondering in the deaths that I have for Worcester, would it be that Smethwick in 1919 to 1926 (date of deaths) could have come under Worcester. I will have to search on that.
thanks for your help

John E Rowley

England and Wales Census, 1871

Name John E Rowley
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Great Dawley, Shropshire, England
Enumeration District 6
Gender Male
Age 18
Marital Status Single
Occupation Engine Fitter
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1853
Birthplace Dawley, Shropshire
Entry Number 8
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/2750/0178

Edwin Rowley Head M 41 Newport, Shropshire
Eliza Rowley Wife F 45 Wellington, Shropshire
John E Rowley Son M 18 Dawley, Shropshire
Theophilus Rowley Son M 15 Dawley, Shropshire
Mary E Rowley Daughter F 13 Dawley, Shropshire
George Rowley Son M 11 Dawley, Shropshire
Sarah Rowley Daughter F 10 Dawley, Shropshire
James F Rowley Son M 9 Dawley, Shropshire
Hannah Rowley Daughter F 7 Dawley, Shropshire
William H Rowley Son M 5 Dawley, Shropshire
John Chilton Assistant M 59 Woodbridge, Suffolk

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Name John E Rowley
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1927
Registration District Bridgnorth
County Shropshire
Event Place Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England
Volume 6A
Page 673
Line Number 130

Edwin Rowley

England and Wales Census, 1841

Name Edwin Rowley
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Newport, Shropshire, England
Residence Note Water Lane
Gender Male
Age 10
Age (Original) 10
Birth Year (Estimated) 1831
Birthplace Shropshire
Registration District Newport
Book Number 8
Parish Newport
County Shropshire
Page Number 24
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 906/16
Affiliate Record Type Household

John Rowley M 30-34
Mary Rowley F 30-34 Shropshire
Edwin Rowley M 10 Shropshire
Mary Rowley F 9 Shropshire
Elizabeth Rowley F 4 Shropshire
Hannah Rowley F 2 Shropshire

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Name John Rowley
Spouse's Name Mary Fletcher
Event Date 24 Mar 1829
Event Place Newport,Shropshire,England

Ann of Cardiff, thank you for what you have sent me through regarding the census's but I already have this information. Original request was to find out regarding my gr grandparents (john 1853c and Martha 1855c) as where they were living approx. between 1912 and 1927 for they both passed away between 1919-1926. I believe they were still in Smethwick on 1911 census so would like to know where they were from 1911 until their deaths.
thanking you

Brummie46

Info about Smethwick

SMETHWICK REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : Staffordshire.
Created : 1.10.1932 (out of West Bromwich registration district).
Abolished : 1.4.1966 (to become part of Warley East, West Bromwich, and Birmingham registration districts).

So I would be looking at West Bromwich prior to 1932

Jude

Hi Jude, thank you for your info but I definitely think that West Bromwich doesn't come into it. For all through previously searches West Bromwich as never come into connection with Smethwick except for after 1966 when a number of boroughs amalgamated.

I am just saying that prior to 1932, Smethwick was West Bromwich. So if they died in Smethwick it would be West Bromwich. And if you can't find it in West Bromwich, then they didn't die in Smethwick.

So if you are not finding anything in West Bromwich, then they didn't die in Smethwick. So if for example you are finding a death in Worcester, then that means they moved

Jude

thanks to all that provided certain information but was wondering if anyone could check electoral roll to find out where this couple was between 1919 - 1926 perhaps it might throw more light onto the subject.
thank you

Although the 1911 census gives address as Smethwick the registration district at that time was Kings Norton (Worcestershire). Unfortunately it is confusing as the registration districts within Staffordshire/ Warwickshire/ Worcestershire went through many changes. You may find more information here:

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/kings%20norton.html

thanks AustinQ yes I did know that Smethwick came under Kings Norton and I think that changed about 1912 approx.
Im still unsure as to where my gr grandparents are buried if it is actually Worcester I suppose I should therefore send for death certificates to see who registered the deaths and any links to that. I was just wondering if the electoral roll would show up anything between 1919 to 1926.
thanks once again

brummie46 - why not give us details of the potential deaths you have found and we can then perhaps investigate them further (e.g. newspapers)