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Julie

Julie Report 27 Sep 2015 09:04

I am trying to find the birth entry for a Helah Thomas .she married a Richard George Baylis in 1895 and she died in 1953 Kensington and it says her birth was 1872 but I can't find her anywhere. Any help welcome as I've hit a dead end
Kind regards Julie x

Researching:
Potter,Nobbs,Gregory,Cowley,Baylis,Flannigan,Hodge,Cummings,London,Edinburgh

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 10:02

For information.....

Helah Thomas in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Helah Thomas
Estimated birth year:abt 1873
Age:22
Spouse:Richard George Baylis
Spouse Age:22
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:14 Jul 1895
Parish:St Clement, Notting Hill
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name:Henry Thomas (Carman) Deceased
Spouse Father:Richard Baylis
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: James Thomas and Frances "Simms" ???

I see she is a servant in 1891.

Researching:
"If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Sep 2015 10:07

There is a witness James Thomas, possibly a brother? Just speculating this might be him, though daughter's name a bit unclear, and his birth date is quite different to Helah's:


1891 England Census
Name: James Thomas
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny J Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensington, London, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London

Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 41b

Piece: 25
Folio: 190
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
James Thomas 38
Fanny J Thomas 37
Caroline A Thomas 15
Lucy M Thomas 12
Florence F Thomas 8
Edith A W Thomas 6
Alfred R Thomas 4
Helah M Thomas 1

Researching:
Myatt, Hanks, Eccleston, Powell, Clungunford, Birmingham

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Sep 2015 10:12

?
Name: Helah Thomas
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Bayewater
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Fulham
Sub registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 54
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 43
Folio: 143
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
George D Smith 38
Louisa J Smith 37
Helah Thomas 19

Researching:
Myatt, Hanks, Eccleston, Powell, Clungunford, Birmingham

Andrew

Andrew Report 27 Sep 2015 10:25

How about this?



Elah Thomas in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906


Name:Elah Thomas
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:28 Jul 1873
Father's name:Henry Thomas occ Cab driver
Mother's name:Sophia Thomas
Parish or Poor Law Union:Notting Hill All Saints
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type:Parish Registers

born 12 March 1872

Andy

Julie

Julie Report 27 Sep 2015 10:35

Thank you everyone you are all kind to take time to help me.
Andy I think you have found it as her dad was a carman on her marriage certificate . :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Researching:
Potter,Nobbs,Gregory,Cowley,Baylis,Flannigan,Hodge,Cummings,London,Edinburgh

Andrew

Andrew Report 27 Sep 2015 10:36

This might be 1871,


Name:Henry Thomas
Age:37
Estimated birth year:abt 1834
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Sophia Thomas
Gender:Male
Where born:Lambeth
Civil Parish:Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish:St Peter
County/Island:London
Country:England
Registration district:Kensington
Sub-registration district:Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel:21
Household schedule number:197
Piece:36
Folio:69
Page Number:39
Household Members:
Name
Age


Henry Thomas 37
Sophia Thomas 31
William H Thomas 17
Elizabeth Thomas 5
Edward Thomas 1


Andy

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 10:37

Following on from Andrew.........

The witness on the marriage........brother James??

??

James Thomas in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name:James Thomas
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:17 Nov 1874
Father's name:Henry Thomas (Cabman)
Mother's name:Sophia Thomas
Parish or Poor Law Union:Notting Hill All Saints
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type:Parish Registers

Res: 125 or 25 Lonsdale "Road"?

Born 16th Sep 1874

Researching:
"If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Sep 2015 10:49

Well done Andrew, brilliant find!

Researching:
Myatt, Hanks, Eccleston, Powell, Clungunford, Birmingham

Andrew

Andrew Report 27 Sep 2015 10:53

Thank you, brummiejan.


Can't see them in 1881.

Andy

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 11:04

The address on the 1871 census that Andrew posted is....

4 Ledbury Mews

Edward Thomas in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name:Edward Thomas
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:5 Jun 1871
Father's name:Henry Thomas (Cabman).....4 Ledbury Mews
Mother's name:Sophia Thomas
Parish or Poor Law Union:Cranley Gardens St Peter
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type:Parish Registers

Born 11th May 1870

Edit: Henry's age on the 1871 census looks to be 32 and not 37 on the image.

Possible death........

??

Deaths Mar 1880 (>99%)
Thomas Henry 41 Kensington 1a 91

Researching:
"If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

Julie

Julie Report 27 Sep 2015 11:06

Brummiejane
Thank you another link found and the I'm sure that street name sound like one I've heard my grandma talk about.
Thank you all again I have been stuck on this branch of the family for a long time .

Julie x :-D

Researching:
Potter,Nobbs,Gregory,Cowley,Baylis,Flannigan,Hodge,Cummings,London,Edinburgh

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 11:07

This is possibly Edward with an Uncle in 1881......so perhaps both parents died before 1881?

??

Edward Thomas in the 1881 England Census
Name:Edward Thomas
Age:13
Estimated birth year:abt 1868
Relationship to Head:Nephew
Gender:Male
Where born:Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish:St James
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:5 and 6 Broad St
Errand Boy

Registration district:Westminster
Sub registration district:Berwick Street

Household Members:

Charles Thomas 37
Edward Thomas 13

Researching:
"If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

Julie

Julie Report 27 Sep 2015 11:08

Prickly holly you are a star too thank you x

Researching:
Potter,Nobbs,Gregory,Cowley,Baylis,Flannigan,Hodge,Cummings,London,Edinburgh

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 11:23

On the same baptism record for Edward is sister......

Elizabeth Ann Thomas born 14th March 1866.

Researching:
"If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 11:29

Henry Thomas in the 1861 England Census
Name:Henry Thomas
Age:22
Estimated birth year:1839
Relation:Lodger
Spouse's Name:Sophia Thomas
Gender:Male
Where born:Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil Parish:St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England

Household Members:

Francis Greene 35
Elizth Greene 25
Francis Greene 4
Henry J Clark 29
Louisa Clark 28
Emma L Clark 5
Thomas H Clark 2
Matilda Clark 9/12

Henry Thomas 22 (Cab Driver)
Sophia Thomas 22... born Suffolk
William H Thomas 1...born Marylebone

Henry Harris 41
Jane Harris 37
Eliza Harris 13
Charles Harris 3

Researching:
"If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

Julie

Julie Report 27 Sep 2015 11:33

My brain is on overload with so much new information. :-) :-D

Researching:
Potter,Nobbs,Gregory,Cowley,Baylis,Flannigan,Hodge,Cummings,London,Edinburgh

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 11:35

??

Henry Thomas in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:Henry Thomas (Bachelor) Cabman...Praed Street
Spouse:Sophia Kemp (Spinster) Market Street
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:14 Jun 1858
Parish:St John, Paddington
Borough:Westminster
Father Name:Robert Thomas (Cabman)
Spouse Father:William Kemp (Bricklayer)
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: George Evans and Jane Routledge

Researching:
"If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

Julie

Julie Report 27 Sep 2015 11:59

This could be the prickly holly the area seems right and not far from where my family live

Researching:
Potter,Nobbs,Gregory,Cowley,Baylis,Flannigan,Hodge,Cummings,London,Edinburgh

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 27 Sep 2015 12:05

Will leave you to go through the info.

You can always get back to us if you get stuck.

Prickles. ;o))

Researching:
"If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))

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