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im trying to find the parents of john Obrien who married Margaret winkworth in 1920 in Farnham surrey..
be grateful for any help

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Surrey, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1937
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Name Margaret Charlotte Lucy Mary Winkworth
Age 27
Birth Year abt 1893
Marriage Date 17 Apr 1920
Archive Provided Parish Frimley, St Peter
Parish as it Appears Frimley
Spouse Age 28
Father John Henry Winkworth
Spouse Father John O'Brien -----father john O'Brien farmer
Reference Number 6532/1/10
Household Members
Name Age
Margaret Charlotte Lucy Mary Winkworth
John O'Brien aged 28 ---occupation bomb rfa ?????????? rsidence farnham

could rfa mean royal fleet auxillary

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Ellen O Brien
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name Ellen O Brien
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Newington, London, Middlesex, England
County London, Middlesex
Civil Parish Newington
Ecclesiastical Parish All Saints
Sub-District St Peter Walworth
Registration District St Saviour Southwark
Residence Note Halpin Place
Gender Female
Age 7
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1894
Birthplace Walworth, London
Schedule Type 396
Page Number 59
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

John O Brien Head M 39 Walworth, London
Ellen O Brien Wife F 34 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Ellen O Brien Daughter F 7 Walworth, London
John O Brien Son M 9 Walworth, London

Do you have a copy of the marriage certificate, Christine?

It would be helpful to know how old John was.

EDIT: sorry, just noticed he was 28!



Although he was living at Farnham in 1920, that was probably because of his job, so he could have been brought up anywhere by his farmer father.

I don't think he'll be the one posted by malyon above, as that one's father was a labourer in London.



EDIT again:

I've just looked at the image of the marriage cert, and his residence was Farnborough, not Farnham.
But it's still in the Aldershot area.

Just in case - (long shot)

This one's father's not a farmer either - he's a tanner's labourer - and there's no middle name on the marriage record - but John junior is with the Royal Garrison Artillery, and is the right age.
(He's not actually with the family, as the entry has been scored out.)

John Bernard Obrien
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Bernard Obrien
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Beverley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Beverley St Nicholas
County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Country: England
Street address: 6 Cherry Trce Lane Beverley
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: R G Artillery
Registration district: Beverley
Registration District Number: 520
Sub-registration district: Beverley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 28553
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jerome Obrien 50
Sarah Ellen Obrien 42
John Bernard Obrien 18
Winefrid Mary Obrien 14
Mary Constance Obrien 7
Stanislaus Obrien 4

Or there's this one, at Aldershot. He's not with the RFA, but the RHA, which did have bombardiers (RFA didn't, according to Wikipedia).
He's a few years older than the one who married in 1920 - but still . . . . you never know!:

John O'Brien
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John O'Brien
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Birth Place: Bansha, tipperary, Ireland
Civil Parish: Aldershot
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 1St Cavalry Brigade Royal Horse Artillery), Wellington Lines, Aldershot
Marital Status: Single
Military Unit: R H A
Registration district: Farnham
Registration District Number: 34
Sub-registration district: Aldershot
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 3122

And another Irish candidate - OK, I'll stop now!


John Daniel Obrien
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Daniel Obrien
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Berihram, Cork, Ireland
Civil Parish: Farnborough
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: Tournay Barracks, Marlborough Lines Church, East Square, Marlborough Lines, Aldershot
Marital Status: Single
Military Unit: 2nd Dublin Fusiliers
Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Registration District Number: 109
Sub-registration district: Farnborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 13-14
Household schedule number: 86
Piece: 6263

Welcome to the Community boards Christine.



(I'll let Christine know how to find her replies) :-)

thanks for the replys..I think there is a irish connection....I have been reading old threads on here and came across one from 2007..the names ..dates and marrage details all match..ant the posre was saying she though john Obrien was born in middleton county cork ..but iv been unable to find him on the irish records yet....on his marrage cert. it says his occupation is bomb..R.F.A.trying to think what that could stand for ..maybe royal fleet aux ....not sure ...im still trying to piece this family together ..fits difficult to find his wife on any records except her marrage cert.......she was born Margaret charlotte lucy mary winkworth...
anyway thanks every one for your help ..and I would be gratefull for any more infor x.

Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
Winkworth Margaret Charlotte L M Camberwell 1d 832

father before marriage?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Marmont Road, Camberwell, London, England


Charlotte Winkworth Head Widow Female 39 1852 Living On Own Means Dover, Kent, England
John H Winkworth Son Single Male 25 1866 Grocers Assistant Camberwell, Middlesex, England
Richard A Seaward Lodger Single Male 38 1853 Barman Oxfordshire, England
Percy I Woodruff Lodger Single Male 26 1865 Commercial Traveller Sandwich, Kent, England

I think this might be Margaret, called May to distingush her from mother margaret?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3, Foss Road Cambridge Terrace, Streatham, Wandsworth, London, England


John H Winkworth Head Married Male 25 1876 Grocers Warehouseman Old Kent Road, Surrey, England
Margaret Winkworth Wife Married Female 31 1870 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
May Winkworth Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Camberwell, Surrey, England
Daisy Winkworth Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Camberwell, Surrey, England
John Winkworth Son Single Male 1 1900 - Clapham, Surrey, England


Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%)
Fleming Margaret Mc Gregor Camberwell 1d 1509
Winkworth John Henry Camberwell 1d 1509

from ancestry

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Margaret Charlotte Lucy May Winkworth
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 6 Aug 1893
Father's name: John Henry Winkworth
Mother's name: Margaret Mcmregoir Winkworth
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camberwell St Giles
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-

Born:- 23 November 1892
Address:- 74 (or 44) Waterloo Street
Father occupation:- Grocer's Porter

Births Sep 1894 (>99%)
Winkworth Daisy Marion A Camberwell 1d 827

Marriages Jun 1918 (>99%)
Couldrick Harry Winkworth Croydon 2a 629
Winkworth Daisy M A Couldrick Croydon 2a 629

Father died in 1901

from freebmd

Deaths Sep 1901 (>99%)
Winkworth John Henry 35 Wandsworth 1d 3_0


???????? is this mother's death????

Deaths Jun 1909 (>99%)
WINKWORTH Margaret 39 Wandsworth 1d 269

from ancestry

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: John Henry Winkworth
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Age: 26
Spouse: Margaret Mc George Fleming <<<<<< it is Margaret Mc Gregoir
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Aug 1891
Parish: St Chrysostom, Peckham
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Edward Ellick Winkworth
Spouse Father: James Carle Fleming
Register Type: Parish Register

from image:-

John Henry
Bachelor
Occupation:- Grocer
Address:- 85 Marmont (??sp) Road, Peckham
Father occupation: Compositor

Margaret
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 85 Marmont (??) Road, Peckham
Father occupation:- Skinner & Leather Dresser

Witnesses:- James C (can't read the rest) Fleming and Jennie May Fleming


It looks as though her father and younger sister were the witnesses

Not sure but this might be the John from the 1901 census? if anyone wants to check further tonight

Births Sep 1899 (>99%)
Winkworth John Edward J Lambeth 1d 410

was in the merchant navy

possible marriage

Marriages Dec 1928 (>99%)

ROBSON Annie Winkworth Wandsworth 1d 1048
WINKWORTH John E J Robson Wandsworth 1d 1048

Margaret Fleming in 1891, just before her marriage

1891 Census

Name: Margaret Fleming
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James C Fleming
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

Piece: 463
Folio: 58
Page Number: 49

James C Fleming 52 b.ca 1839, Edinboro, Widower, Skinner & Leather Dresser
Margaret Fleming 21 Laundress
John Fleming 20 b.ca 1871, Liverpool, Furniture Packer
Jennie Fleming 18 b.ca 1873, Ellesmere, [no occupation shown]

Address:- no 9 Block D, Waterloo Square

Margaret's birth registration

Name: Margaret McGregoir Fleming
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Birkenhead
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 439

John Edward was baptised after his father's death ..............


London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: John Edward James Winkworth
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Aug 1901
Father's name: John Henry Winkworth
Mother's name: Margaret Mcgregor Winkworth
Parish or Poor Law Union: Summers Town
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-

Born 1 August 1899
Address:- 3 Cambridge terrace, Foss Road
Father:- deceased


His marriage isn't showing on ancestry