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Pauline
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1 Jul 2016 23:21 |
Trying to find marriage or death of above. Born 1879 London /middx Father Richard Foster occupation printer i believe ancestry give fathers on line?
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1 Jul 2016 23:29 |
Florence Foster England and Wales Census, 1881 Name Florence Foster Event Type Census Event Date 1881 Event Place Shoreditch, London,Middlesex, England Registration District Shoreditch Residence Note Shrubland Road Gender Female Age 2 Marital Status (Original) Single
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Birth Year (Estimated) 1879 Birthplace Middlesex, England Page Number 3 Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 408/59 Affiliate Record Type Household
Household
Role
Gender
Age
Birthplace
Richard B Foster Head M 24 Middlesex, England Eliza Foster Wife F 25 Middlesex, England Richard Foster Son M 4 M Middlesex, England Florence Foster Daughter F 2 Middlesex, England William Mathews Brother In Law M 22 Middlesex, England Alfred Mathews Brother In Law M 21 Middlesex, England
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1 Jul 2016 23:39 |
the only births in Middlesex 1879 for Florence
Births Jun 1879 (>99%)
Foster Florence Eleanor Shoreditch 1c 69
Births Dec 1879 (>99%)
Foster Florence Annie Kingston 2a 299
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KathleenBell
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1 Jul 2016 23:50 |
Possibly the same family in 1891:-
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Myddleton Place, Clerkenwell, Holborn, London, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Richard Foster Head Married Male 34 1857 Printer St Pancras, Middlesex, England Eliza Foster Wife Married Female 35 1856 - Cripplegate Florence Foster Daughter Single Female 12 1879 Scholar Middlesex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Richard Foster Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Kingsland Alfred Foster Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Kingsland Charlotte Foster Daughter Single Female 7 1884 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Edward Foster Son Single Male 4 1887 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
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Pauline
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2 Jul 2016 00:08 |
THANK YOU I have that info. Cannot find her after 1891 census. I assume she married, but can not find one That is the right family/ (Alfred (her brother) was my grandfather. Trying to follow the rest of the family tree. Flo is proving hard. I have her sister, as I new her It does not help that the family kept using the same name for the males !!
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2 Jul 2016 00:09 |
????? Based on husband's occupation of Printer's Assistant
1911 Florence Eleanor Short Age in 1911: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: St Luke, London, England Civil Parish: Cann Hall County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address: 6 Crownfield Rd, Stratford Marital Status: Married Years Married: 11 Estimated Marriage Year: 1900 Registration district: West Ham Registration District Number: 188 Sub-registration district: South Leyton ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 287 Piece: 9617
William Henry Short 30 - Printer's Assistant b Clerkenwell Florence Eleanor Short 32 Florence E Short 10 - Romford, Essex William H Short 8 - Romford Essex Herbert Edward Short 6 -Bow, London Ivy Lillian Short 3 -West Ham, Essex Ernest Richard Short 1 - West Ham, Essex
Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%) Foster Florence Eleanor Islington 1b 733 xxxx Harvey William Griffiths Islington 1b 733 Pilfold Rose Florence Islington 1b 733 Short William Henry Islington 1b 733 xxxx
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2 Jul 2016 00:13 |
Same family on 1901
Florence Short Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: William Short Birth Place: Hoxton, London, England Civil Parish: Romford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew Town: Romford County/Island: Essex Country: England
Registration district: Romford Sub-registration district: Romford ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1646 Folio: 111 Page Number: 16 Household schedule number: 86 Household Members: Name Age William Short 20 - Electrical Assistant Florence Short 22 Florence Short 2 Weeks James Short 53 - William's father, b Southwark, Occupation Printer
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SylviaInCanada
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2 Jul 2016 01:08 |
a Public Family tree has the following for the Short -- Foster marriage
Florence Eleanor Foster
1879–
Birth 03 03 1879 • Shoreditch, London
Parents
Richard Benjamin Foster 1857–1906 Eliza Matthews 1856–1901
got to go ..................
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Pauline
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2 Jul 2016 10:46 |
Thank you all so much. That is the right marriage Sylvia , where is the public family tree please? As may have more about the family
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AustinQ
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2 Jul 2016 10:53 |
Pauline there are a few public trees for this family on Ancestry.
One has quite a few records for Florence they have this as the date of marriage to William Short:
07 Jun 1900 Register Office,Islington
They have five children listed for marriage:
Florence Eleanor Short 1901–1960 William Henry Jn Short 1902–1971 Herbert Edward Short 1904–1983 Ivy Lillian Short 1907–1985 Ernest Richard Short 1909–1984 ---------------------------------------------------------------
They have a second marriage for William in 1924:
William H Short Annie E Staff Date of Registration 1924 - Apr-May-Jun[1924] Registration district Romford Inferred County Essex Volume Number 4a Page number 1177
Which fits with this 1939 register record:
Short Household (3 People) The Lainds Croydon Lane , Banstead U.D., Surrey, England
William H Short 22 Nov 1880 Male Printer Machine Minder Married Annie E Short 16 Jul 1885 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married Amelia J Staff 24 Jan 1863 Female Old Age Pensioner Widowed
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Dea
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2 Jul 2016 11:00 |
The tree will be on Ancestry and also has the following:
Marriage: Fact Details 07 Jun 1900 Register Office,Islington Spouse William Henry Short
Spouse & Children
William Henry Short
1880–1956 Florence Eleanor Short 1901–1960 William Henry Jn Short 1902–1971 Herbert Edward Short 1904–1983 Ivy Lillian Short Ivy Lillian Short 1907–1985 Ernest Richard Short Ernest Richard Short 1909–1984
It shows her death as:
Death: 01 06 1963 (1 Jun 1963) - Kent, England
No idea how accurate this is as many trees on there are pure fiction!!!
Worth checking up on those facts though.
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2 Jul 2016 11:02 |
OOooops - sorry Austin - I took so long to type it that you had posted those details already before me ;-)
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2 Jul 2016 11:04 |
It would be on Ancestry.. You could take out a 14 day trial as long as you remember to cancel before its up.alternatively you can access Ancestry for free at most UK public libraries.
There are several trees, one of which is owned by 'Kelly Salkilld', tree named 'Kelly Salkilld family tree'.
They don't have the dod for Florence but have attached various ER, the last being 1970 with her living in Surbiton, Surrey.
They give husband & children as
William Henry Short 1880–1956
Florence Eleanor Short 1901–1960 m Ernest Albert Shaw 1900–1981
William Henry Jn Short 1902–1971 m Violet Evelyn Berry 1907–1994
Herbert Edward Short 1904–1983 m Mary A E Silver 1905–
Ivy Lillian Short 1907–1985 m Henry Arthur Bundle1906–1968
Ernest Richard Short 1909–1984 m Joan Elizabeth Gallon 1916–1997
They are related via the Silver line
EDIT - already posted!!
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AustinQ
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2 Jul 2016 11:04 |
The same tree that has a second marriage listed for William also has an electoral register record for 1970 for Florence living in Altone Way, Sutton & Cheam with a Herbert Wright.
EDIT: I'm not sure this is correct!!
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Pauline
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2 Jul 2016 11:04 |
Thanks Guys. I did try ancestry( 2 weeks trial)but did not find it so easy to follow, so did not pursue the membership .As my research will mostly be with parish records now, I hope to find out more about my ancetors
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2 Jul 2016 11:12 |
They must have divorced as he married again in 1924 (according to one of those trees) and he is certainly with this second wife in 1939
Not found Florence in 1939
Jude
Sorry didn't refresh screen!!!!
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AustinQ
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2 Jul 2016 11:17 |
That same tree has her on the electoral register in 1938 with these people (taken from 1939 register):
Bundle Household (4 People) 39 Green Wrythe Lane , Carshalton U.D., Surrey, England
Lilian I (Ivy) Ashenden (Bundle) 30 Jun 1907 Female Part Time Domestic Duties Paid Married Arthur H Bundle 04 Aug 1906 Male General Labourer Married Neville A Bundle 01 May 1930 Male At School Single Anthony B Bundle 21 Jul 1938 Male Under School Age Single
Ivy Lilian was Florence's daughter
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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2 Jul 2016 11:18 |
Yes Austin I was just looking at this...Ivy is her daughter. So she's with them in 1938 but not in 1939
Jude
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2 Jul 2016 11:30 |
http://tinyurl.com/zeklheb
Divorce Court File: 1647. Appellant: William Henry Short. Respondent: Florence Eleanor...
Reference: J 77/1969/1647
Description:
Divorce Court File: 1647. Appellant: William Henry Short. Respondent: Florence Eleanor Short. Co-respondent: William Alexander Jones and William Sparkes. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd]. Date: 1923
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record
Language: English
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
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2 Jul 2016 11:34 |
I had already looked at this marriage...
Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%) JONES William A Short Rochford 4a 1802 Short Florence E Jones Rochford 4a 1802
So bigamously I guess!
Jude
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