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Is anyone able to find a marriage certificate with regards to the following 1841 Census for Joseph and Eshter.

1841 Census (Black Bull?).
RUMBLE, Henry M 30 1811 (Pastry Cook) Middlesex
RUMBLE, Joseph M 50 1791 (Pastry Cook) Middlesex
RUMBLE, Esther F 50 1791 Middlesex
TURNPENNY, Henry M 20 1821 Middlesex
TURNPENNY, Susannah F 20 1821 Middlesex
TURNPENNY, Susannah M 1 (15 months) 1840 Middlesex
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
669 Book/Folio:
1/39 Page:
26

Thank you in advance...

George

Henry Rumbold
Baptism 20 Apr 1806 St Marylebone, Middlesex Josh,
Hester (Born 8 March)

Mary Ann Rumbold
Baptism 20 Apr 1806 St Marylebone, Middlesex Josh,
Hester (Born 19 July 1804

Sarah Rumble
Baptism 26 Jan 1812 St Marylebone, Middlesex Joseph,
Esther (Born 29th Dec 1811)

Eliza Rumbell
Baptism 31 Jan 1808 St Marylebone, Middlesex Joseph,
Esther (Born 11 Nov)

All London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 (Ancestry)

(above look to relate, an idea for name variants Marriage perhaps!)

Chris :)


Deaths Mar 1844 (>99%)
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RUMBLE Hester W London 2 213

(covers St. Sepulchre, as 1841, if her, perhaps not looking at below!)


All London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980 (Ancestry)
Hester Rumble

abt 1774 10 Mar 1844 St Sepulchre, Holborn City of London Burial

can't mind marriage for joseph and esther found the marriage for daughter Susannah to henry turnpenny

Ok. Thanks for the advice Chris...

Susanna Rumble

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Record Image View

Name: Susanna Rumble
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Oct 1817
Father's name: Joseph Rumble
Mother's name: Hester Rumble
Parish or Poor Law Union: Holborn St Giles in the Fields
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

19 Newton St. He's a brewer's servant.

Yes Malyon

Marriage July 16th 1838: Henry Turnpenny (full age) (Musician)of 6 Carcy Street, (father Henry Turnpenny, musician) and Susannah Rumble (Full Age) of 6 Carcy Street (father Joseph Rumble, brewer)Witnesses by: W'm Boyle? and Fr R Fitch

George

you won't find a marriage certificate for Joseph and Esther as they must have married before July 1 1837 ....... it might be possible to find the Parish Register record, but most of the early entries give very little information.

could be esthers death as cant see her in 1851 census





Esther Rumble

England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007

Name Esther Rumble
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1845
Registration District St. Pancras
County London
Event Place St. Pancras, London, England
Volume 1
Page 213
Line Number 99

Long shot - I'll post it in case the clerk made a mistake in the parish register entry!

John Rumball
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: John Rumball
Spouse: Hester Platter
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 16 Jul 1809
Parish: St Mary, Harrow
Borough: Harrow
Register Type: Parish Register

This is the only marriage for a Joseph Rumble that has turned up on ancestry and on FreeReg

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Joseph Rumble
Spouse: Frances Gunnel
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Aug 1809
Parish: St John the Baptist, Hillingdon
Borough: Hillingdon
Register Type: Parish Register

The image says this Joseph is from Berkshire


FreeReg version .......

County Middlesex
Place Hillingdon
Church name St John the Baptist
Register type Phillimore's Transcripts
Marriage date 10 Aug 1809
Groom forename Joseph
Groom surname RUMBLE
Groom parish East Willing BRK
Bride forename Frances
Bride surname GUNNEL
Register note
Transcriber notes

This is it!!!

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: James Rumble
Spouse: Hester Allen
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Oct 1803
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register


I looked at the image on ancestry

The register says Banns called between JAMES Rumble and Hester Allan on Sept 11, 18 and 23 1803

James Rumble and hester Allan were married by Banns on 13 October 1803

Register is signed JOSEPH Rumble and Hester Allan (her mark)


from ancestry

Will have to order the 1844 death certificate for Hester. Thanks for that Chris...

were their ages wrong in the 1841 census born 1791 would be 12yrs in 1803

Wow. Thank you so much Sylvialn for your diligence...

Yes good point Maylon. If 1844 death reference for Hester noted by Chris is correct. Would this give me information regards to her birth year etc...

1841 census ages were meant to be rounded down to the nearest 5 - therefore, Esher could have been 54 in 1841, making her born1786/7 and so c17 in 1803

The death certificate should give an age - but it's only as good as the informant knows.

malyon ...............


ages for people over the age of 15 are almost always rounded DOWN to the nearest 5. Occasionally, the enumerators ignored the instruction, but you can always tell because the age then does not end in 0 or 5!


so, yes, in that sense, the year 1791 is "wrong", but we all know to make allowance for that.

You search on later censuses by putting birth year +/-5 if the only birth year you have is from the 1841.

(bit late now!, just to add, that Burial 1844, gives Abode, as 67 St. John Street, as 1841)

Mentioned in OP is Black Bull, not sure where that was seen, previous page on Census has Little Bell)

http://pubshistory.com/LondonPubs/StSepulchre/LittleBell.shtml

(Little Bell, 17 St John Street, West Smithfield, St Sepulchre
Address formerly 78 St John Street)

(apologies!, just seen)

http://pubshistory.com/LondonPubs/StSepulchre/BlackBull.shtml

Chris :)

England, Pallot's Marriage Index, 1780-1837 (Ancestry)

(has Hester and Jas. on above also, says both of M.E.O.T. (Mile End Old Town)


Esther Rumble
abt 1793 13 Dec 1845 St James, Pentonville Islington Burial

(can't see Burial image for above at moment, expect Ancestry is busy!)

Thank you for that Greyghost

Now I am confused Chris Ho. The Black Bull was where Joseph and Esther were living according to 1841 Census. What reference should I be using for ordering a death certificate. Thanks.
George