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In Canadian records on Family search William Smithers is living in Canada with Emily Turford as man and wife. According to FREEBMD Emily married Frederick Smithers in 1889.
They emigrated to Canada in 1911.
Can anyone find them on the passengers lists in 1911. Which would give their names and addresses. They had two children Victor Ambrose and Cecil William Smithers who travelled with them. Victor was 17 and Cecil was 12.
I would be grateful for any help.

Still looking for them on passenger lists, no luck yet.
This seems to be attestation papers for Cecil William. He seems to have lied about his age, claimed he was 19, born 9 April 1898 but birth certificate said 9 April 1899.

Cecil William Smithers

in the Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
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Name: Cecil William Smithers
Birth Date: 9 Apr 1898
Birth Location: Chatham, England
Relative: W Smithers
Relationship: Father
Regiment Number: 530185

Cecil William Smithers

in the 1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
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Name: Cecil William Smithers
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 17
Est. Birth Year: 1899
Birthplace: England
Year of Immigration: 1911
Home in 1916: 01A, Calgary West, Alberta
Address: 633, Sarcee Camp
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Relation to Head of Household: Son
Father's name: William Smithers
Mother's name: Emily Smithers
Sub District Desc.: (A - M) inclusive, City of Calgary, such portion as is situated in this district according to the Representation Act, 1914
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smithers 52
Emily Smithers 49
Victor Ambrose Smithers 22
Cecil William Smithers 17
Olive Eleanor Smithen 16

Daughter Olive also born England.

There was also another child who, I think, died aged 2:

SMITHERS, FREDERICK TOM AMBROSE TURFORD Order
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in LUDLOW Volume 06A Page 571


Deaths Mar 1893 (>99%)
Smithers Frederick Thomas A 2 Farnham 2a 84

Dea x

Margaret, many thanks, yes this the right family. As you can see the Father is shown as William, yet Emily Turford apparently married Frederick.

Olive Eleanor returning to Canada along with mother Emily, 51. Says that they left in 1916.

Olive Eleanor Smithers

in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
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Name: Olive Eleanor Smithers
Gender: Male
Age: 17
Birth Year: abt 1900
Date of Arrival: 21 Jul 1917
Vessel: Olympic
Search Ship Database: Search for the Olympic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

Dea, Thanks that is one I had missed

Emily, 50 and Olive 16 1/2 arriving in England 1916, Heading to "The Slack/Stack?", ?owbury near Ludlow, Shropshire.

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Olive Smithers

in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
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Name: Olive Smithers
Birth Date: abt 1901
Age: 15
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 25 Sep 1916
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
Ship Name: Grampian
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Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 124220

Did Emily die in Vancouver??


Event Type:
Death
Registration Number:
1927-09-384232
Event Date (YYYY-MM-DD):
1927-03-10
Event Place:
VANCOUVER
Age at Death:
61
Person:
EMILY SMITHERS

The death certs give a lot of info - the husband and her parents details should be on there.

Dea x

If she married Frederick Smithers in 1889 then this says that Emily was a widow in 1891 ??????


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Slack, Cainham, Ludlow, Shropshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Turford Head Married Male 50 1841 Carpenter Shropshire, England
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Eliza Turford Wife Married Female 47 1844 - Shropshire, England
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Hannah Turford Daughter Single Female 27 1864 - Shropshire, England
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Emily Smithers Daughter Widow Female 25 1866 - Shropshire, England
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Nellie Turford Daughter - Female 8 1883 - Shropshire, England
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Robert Morris Nephew Single Male 17 1874 Labourer Bitterley, Shropshire, England
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Frederick Smithers Grandson - Male 0 1891 - Shropshire, England
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Did she marry again ?

Dea x

Dea
Yes I have seen the death certificate and the informant is given as William Smithers, husband. The parents are Thomas Turford and Hannah Clee.
Unfortunately It does not connect with Frederick int the BMD reference

I can't get a proper transcription for this but it is 1901 and she is married to 'William' aged 37, Officer's servant, born Chobham, Surrey.

They are in some sort of Army establishment connected to the Royal Engineers.

Victor and Olive are also with them.

Dea x

EDIT - It is the 'School of Military Engineering'


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Emily
Last name Smithers
Relationship Wife
Marital status Married
Gender Female
Age 35
Birth year 1866
Occupation -
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed CAINHAM
Birth county Shropshire
Birth county as transcribed SHROPSHIRE
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Street -
Town -
Parish Gillingham
City -
Country England
County Kent
Municipal ward Brompton
Registration district Medway
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 738
Folio 70
Page 2
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census

Dea x

Margaret
Dea has found the 1891 census which shows her parents at The Slack, Cainham Ludlow, which would appear to be her destination, in 1916.

Would that be Mary Clee?...

Chris :)

Shropshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1863

TURFORD Thomas CLEE Mary Knowbury, Ludlow Shrewsbury C-L32/1/88


Shropshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1889

SMITHERS Frederick TURFORD Emily Knowbury, Ludlow Shrewsbury C-L32/1/177

http://www.shropshirebmd.info/index.php

(Marriages only on above)


Shropshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871

TURFORD Thomas MALPAS Eliza Knowbury, Ludlow Shrewsbury C-L32/1/122

I thought it was curious that Emily and Olive returned to England for almost a year.

Thankyou everyone, that satisfies the detail I wanted to know.
It confirms that they are not connected with the line I am following

Once again many many thanks for all your help.

Baptism
Place Old Brompton
Church name Chatham Garrison Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 236
Baptism date 15 Apr 1894
Birth date 25 Dec 1893
Person forename Victor Ambrose
Person sex M
Person abode 14 House Brompton Barracks
Father forename William
Father surname SMITHERS
Father occupation Servant
Mother forename Emily


Baptism
Place Old Brompton
Church name Chatham Garrison Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 526
Baptism date 21 May 1899
Birth date 09 Apr 1899
Person forename Cecil William
Person sex M
Person abode S Marys Barracks Brompton
Father forename William
Father surname SMITHERS
Father occupation Officers Servant
Mother forename Emily

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above link)

Chris :)

Don't leave us in suspense Bruce - what line is it that you are following?

Dea x

William Smethers born 17.4.1864 in Titchmarsh, Northants. He was living in Lambeth London in 1901. But the Census shows his name as Smithers.
He married in February 1891, but his wife died in June 1891. I suspect in childbirth
as their son was born in (Apr-Jun) 1891 and was baptised on 7.8.1891.
I therefore was hoping that he had emigrated to Canada after marrying Emily, but as you can see this was not the case.

This looks like your William Smethers in 1911 with second wife BUT it says married 13 years.

William Smethers

in the 1911 England Census
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Name: William Smethers
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Northants, Tichmarsh
[Northants, Titchmarsh]
Civil Parish: Hunslet
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County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 12 Bond Place Hunslet Yorks
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Midland Railway Goods Guard
Registration district: Hunslet
Registration District Number: 501
Sub-registration district: Hunslet
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 27121
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smethers 47
Ellen Eliza Smethers 42
William Alfred Smethers 19
Ellen Mary Hull Webster 20
John Smethers 13
Joseph Smethers 10
George Henry Smethers 8
Annie Webster 1