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Births Dec 1937

>>>>Fletcher Betha M Sweeney Southampton 2c 96


Births Dec 1937

>>>>McGovern Betha M Sweeney Southampton 2c 96


Deaths Jun 1941

McGovern George 33 Woolwich 1d 1424


Marriages Dec 1943

Gibson Thomas S McGovern Dartford 2a 1793
McGovern Betty M Gibson Dartford 2a 1793


England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Betty Mabel Gibson

Birth Date: 12 Oct 1909

Date of Registration: Jun 1991

Age at Death: 81

Registration district: Mansfield

Inferred County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire

Volume: 8

Page: 241

still think that's her birth I posted middle name mable born 4th quarter if you could send for the marriage cert for bertha and Thomas to see their ages

Thats a pretty good match. Exact birth date. I'll try find more on her. thank you so much for all your help. Really appreciate it. I've been looking for a long time.

Well done Choccy and Alviegal - didn't think to just put Betha M 1937 in a search having found her under Fletcher/Sweeney - and if I had, then the 2 surnames would have come up - doh !! Think I was going round in circles .........easy. It was getting late last night and I had to give up before chasing 1939 entries with the given birthdate.
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Dawn - I posted yesterday -

But there are 6 Fletcher/Sweeney births between 1930 and 1937.
1930/31 in Stepney, 1933/1935 in Romford, 1934 Surrey and 1937 Southampton.

Either all not yours, or they were together longer than you thought, or any child born after the split would have Mother's married name (unless the actual Father admitted paternity) and the maiden name would be also that of the mother. Is that clear as mud? Or a second marriage for the Mother.

Looking at the first name of the 1937 birth I would think from the first name that she is Betha's child.

All births shown on https://www.freebmd.org.uk/search
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So the Father did admit paternity and Betha was registered under both her Mother's married name and that of the actual Father.

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As for the 1939 register put up by Alviegal - when you look at the actual image it doesn't sat BeRtha but Betha. I'll report that. There is 1 closed record on that 1939 - probably young Betha. Betha rather than Bertha or Betty might really have given the game away earlier.

Did Betha and George ever marry or just live as man and wife. Even though she marries Thomas Gibson as Betty (another slight change of name) McGovern and dies as Betty.
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A guess is that Betha Junior was known as McGovern if that is her closed on the 1939 and her Mum married Thomas as McGovern. Could be wrong of course.

Honestly I cant thank you all enough. I wish I'd done this when my mum was still alive. This has always been a mystery in our family and now I can put it to rest and hopefully find an aunt or cousins that maybe have no idea I, my family and other aunts and uncles even exist. Thanks again xxxx