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I'm looking to see if anyone can help me find ANY info at all on my great great grandfather, Charles Martin. No one in the family knows much about him, apart from his name.

Story goes that he jumped ship in Austrailia and never returned, leaving his wife at home with 8 children, at some point 3 of the boys went away to look for him and never return. As far as i know she never remarried but I wouldn't rule it out. His wife was Mary Ellen (Hammell I think) and some of their children were Peter (1897-1968), Francis Septimus, Edward Walter (I was always told that he was called Edward Octavious but as far as i can see he was Edward Walter and Phillip. The family was from Tynemouth.

I'm struggling to even find a birth record for Charles and he is not on any census with Mary Ellen.

The husband of my great aunty (charles' grand daughter) wrote a book about his family history and in passing mention Charles and the mystery surrounding him - he listed his d.o.b as July 1874, how accurate this is I don't know.

?? Sep Qtr registration would cover a July birth.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MARTIN, CHARLES SCORER Order
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 202

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MARTIN, FRANCIS SEPTIMUS HAMMELL Order
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 255

MARTIN, PETER HAMMEL Order
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 258

MARTIN, EDWARD WALTER HAMMILL Order
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 258

MARTIN, PHILIP HENRY HAMILL Order
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 245

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rosella House Albion Road North Shields, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Mary Ellen Martin Wife Married Female Private Means 39 1872 North Shields Northumberland
Peter Martin Son - Male School 13 1898 North Shields Northumberland
William Martin Son - Male School 8 1903 North Shields Northumberland
Francis Septimus Martin Son - Male School 7 1904 North Shields Northumberland
Edward Walter Martin Son - Male - 0 1911 North Shields Northumberland

Mary Ellen says that she has been married 18 years and has had 8 children, 5 of whom are still living and 3 have died. It has been scored through by the enumerator, perhaps she said she was already on her own?
Edward is 10 months old.

Not picking up a marriagee though for Charles Martin to Hammel

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
32, Union Street, North Shields, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary E Martin Wife Married Female 29 1872 - North Shields, Northumberland, England
Charles W Martin Son Single Male 7 1894 - North Shields, Northumberland, England
Peter Martin Son Single Male 3 1898 - North Shields, Northumberland, England
Philip H Martin Son Single Male 0 1901 - North Shields, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary E Martin Wife Married Female 29 1872 - North Shields, Northumberland, England
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Charles W Martin Son Single Male 7 1894 - North Shields, Northumberland, England
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Peter Martin Son Single Male 3 1898 - North Shields, Northumberland, England
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Philip H Martin Son Single Male 0 1901 - North Shields, Northumberland, England


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Martin Household (2 People) 30 Sibthorpe Street , Tynemouth C.B., Northumberland, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Mary E Martin 25 Apr 1871 Female Unpaid Household Duties Widowed 85 1
Edward W Martin 06 May 1910 Male House & Ship Painter Single 85 2

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
Allerton James Tynemouth 10b 329
HAMEL Mary Ellen Tynemouth 10b 329
HARDY Margaret Tynemouth 10b 329
Martin Charles Tynemouth 10b 329

Ah yet another spelling of her surname

A copy of the marriage cert will hopefully give you information regarding his father.

If him below...

Chris :)

MARTIN, WILLIAM (HAMMILL)
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 280


22 June 1918 - Shields Daily News - Tynemouth, Tyne and Wear, England

Youth's Sad Death in Tynemouth Infirmary.
An inquest was held last night at the Town Hall, North Shields, by Mr P. Dodds, Deputy Coroner, on William Martin, aged 16, rivet catcher, employed Smith’s Dock, and residing with his parents 39 Dockwray Square, who died in the infirmary. Mary Ellen Martin, his mother said he was injured at work in 1916 and had been receiving compensation.

(some men were lowering a tire into the hold, when it fell about 40 feet through the rope breaking. Martin who was below, was struck on the head.
The jury found that the cause of death was shock following an operation of bone grafting for a fracture of the skull accidentally caused while following his employment, and that the chloroform had been properly ministered.


Deaths Jun 1918 (>99%)
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Martin William 16 Tynemouth 10b 299

?? - a variation of the Hamell name ?
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MARTIN, CHARLES WILLIAM HANNHELL Order
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 232

Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

MARTIN, JOHN PHILIP HENRY HAMMELL Order
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 222

MARTIN, WILLIAM WALLACE HAMMEL Order
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 243

MARTIN, WILLIAM HAMMILL Order
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 280

The 3 deaths - John Philip and William's ages will be in months - GRO haven't as yet sorted a way to distinguish between years and months on their website. It's a relatively new site, which gives mothers maiden names pre 1911, the commercial sites don't, and also ages at death pre when the commercial sites give them

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.aspDeaths

Name: Age at Death (in years):
MARTIN, JOHN PHILIP HENRY 12 Order
GRO Reference: 1897 J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 140

MARTIN, WILLIAM WALLACE 4 Order
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 159

MARTIN, PHILIP HENRY 6 Order
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 116

I see you have Mary Ellen's birth as 5th April 1872

Her dob appears as 25th April 1871 on the 1939 Register.

Her son Edward Walter is with her.......

Mary E Martin on the 1939 Register

Martin Household (2 People) 30 Sibthorpe Street , Tynemouth C.B., Northumberland, England

Mary E Martin 25 Apr 1871 Female Unpaid Household Duties Widowed 85 1
Edward W Martin 06 May 1910 Male House & Ship Painter Single 85 2

Ooops! .......Already posted by Maddie


Edward W Martin in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Edward W Martin
Birth Date: abt 1911
Date of Registration: Mar 1953
Age at Death: 42
Registration district: Tynemouth
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1b
Page: 552

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Charles Martin
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name
Charles Martin
Event Type
Marriage
Registration Quarter
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year
1892
Registration District
Tynemouth
County
Northumberland
Event Place
Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Volume
10B
Page
329
Line Number
212
 
Charles Martin probably married one of the following people
Name
James Allerton
Name
Mary Ellen Hamel
Name
Margaret Hardy

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England & Wales Merchant Navy Crew Lists 1861-1913 Transcription

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First name(s) Charles
Last name Martin
Birth year 1868
Birth place Cramlington
Birth country England
Year 1891
Role Able Seaman
Vessel name Athelstane
From date 29 Jul 1891
To date 12 Oct 1891
Previous port S Shields
Previous vessel Buteshire
Vessel official number 65436
Vessel registration port North Shields
Port registry year 1872
Port registry number 46
Vessel type Steam
Gross tonnage 1104
Net tonnage 684
Log book N
Master's first name(s) John
Master's last name Breman
Owner's first name(s) H E P
Owner's last name Adamson
Owner's town Newcastle Upon Tyne
Owner's county Northumberland
Owner's country England
Record source The National Archives
Document type Eng 1
Archive reference BT99/1689
Record set England & Wales Merchant Navy Crew Lists 1861-1913
Category Education & work
Subcategory Merchant navy & maritime
Collections from Great Britain

Peter Owens on behalf of the Crew List Index Project and other contributors

copyright Peter Owens on behalf of the Crew List Index Project and other contributors

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Charles
Last name Martin
Relationship Boatswain Crew
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 31
Birth year 1870
Occupation Boatswain
Birth town Cramlington
Birth town as transcribed CRAMLINGTON
Birth county Northumberland
Birth county as transcribed NORTHUMBERLAND
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Street -
Town -
Parish Hartlepool
City -
Country England
County Durham
Vessel name S Constantine
Municipal ward North
Registration district Hartlepool
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 4636
Folio 128
Page -
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

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There are 4 "boys" with their Mother in 1911. Another 3 have already died and I can't pinpoint Charles W. So, although 8 children were born, there was never 8 alive at the same time. All boys, Mum must have felt very outnumbered!!

IF all the children were actually Charles Senior's then he didn't leave until after Edward Walter was conceived. If he left before, then any children born after that would still have their Mother's married name.

You say the family story has it that 3 of the boys went in search of him and never returned. Of the 5 -

1. William died 1918 as posted by ChrisHo
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2. Edward Walter - Prickly Holly posted a death for him in Tynemouth 1953 and the 1939 with his Mum
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3. A Francis Septimus Martin (can't imagine there are too many of them) dies in Northampton 1979, b 1904
First name(s) FRANCIS SEPTIMUS
Last name MARTIN
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1904
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1979
District Northampton
County Northamptonshire
Volume 7
Page 2202

Probate - of 15 Honiton Gardens Corby Northants died 20 September 1979 Probate Ipswich 14 December - the link -https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=martin&yearOfDeath=1979&page=9#calendar

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4. Peter - only 1 Peter Martin b Northumberland c 1897. That was Q3 Tynemouth RD as posted above. There is a Q1 1968 death aged 70 in Tynemouth. Would be the right age. ?? is this him

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1968 (>99%)
MARTIN PETER 70 TYNEMOUTH 1B 669

Possibly him in 1939 (DOB would fit a Q3 birth reg) (married a Phyllis Brown 1921)
Martin Household (5 People)
7 Prudhoe Street , Tynemouth C.B., Northumberland, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Peter Martin 07 Aug 1897 Male Shipyard Labourer Married 30 1
Phyllis Martin 20 Dec 1899 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 30 2
Peter H Martin 27 Jan 1921 Male Apprentice Bricklayer Single 30 3
Ellen Martin 15 Aug 1922 Female Shop Assistant Single 30 4
William Martin 30 Jun 1924 Male Errand Boy Single 30 5

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Which only leaves the elusive Charles - unless they went but did return.

Thank you all for your help. Yes the family story was that 3 went in search and never returned but I do agree that it definitely looks like it as only Charles - stories must have just been exaggerated over the years. Yes, that is the correct Peter Martin (my grandfather's father) he married Phyllis Brown and had several children.

So as Edward had the surname Walter, Charles must have disappeared sometime between Edward being conceived and the 1911 census - is that correct?

How interesting to learn about William, you can't help but feel for poor Mary Ellen.

I have a hunch regarding the birth of Charles Martin......

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MARTIN, CHARLES ATKINSON Order
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 224

It's all quite complicated.

The best way to go would be to purchase a copy of the marriage certificate for information regarding his father.


Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
HAMEL Mary Ellen Tynemouth 10b 329
Martin Charles Tynemouth 10b 329