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Thank you PricklyHolly, that does look like a pretty good hunch. I will order the marriage certificate tonight and let you all know what it says when it arrives in a few weeks.
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I will keep my eye out for the details from the marriage cert Kelsey.
As i posted earlier, it's quite complicated but........if my hunch is correct, this is possibly Charles on the 1871 census...........
??
Charles Martin in the 1871 England Census
Name: Charles Martin
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's name: Philip A Martin
Mother's name: Nicholasina Martin
Gender: Male
Where born: Cramlington, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Haswell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Haswell Lane
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 203
Piece: 4971
Folio: 65
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Philip A Martin 23 (Coal Miner)
Nicholasina Martin 22 (Percy Main, Northumberland)
Mary L Martin 3
Charles Martin 2
John Martin 3 Months
The second initial of "A" for father Philip, looks more like an "H" on the image.
(Charles named one of his sons Philip Henry)
"Philip" married "Nicholasina" with the name of "Henry"
Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
ATKINSON Nicholasena Tynemouth 10b 334
MARTIN Henry Tynemouth 10b 334
I could go on but, my hunch might be incorrect.
Best wait for the details of the marriage cert.
Prickles. x
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Just in case..........
Charles Martin in the 1881 England Census
Name: Charles Martin
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Grandson
Mother: Nicholasina Martin
Gender: Male
Where born: Benton, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Wallsend
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 43
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5072
Folio: 87
Page Number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary A. Atkinson 75 (Widow)
Nicholasina Martin 32 (Daughter....Married) Percy Main, Northumberland
Mary Martin 13
Charles Martin 12
John Martin 10
William Martin 5
Emma J. Martin 3
MARTIN, MARY LOUISA ATKINSON
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 227
Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
ARMSTRONG Charles Frederick Tynemouth 10b 352
Martin Mary Louisa Tynemouth 10b 352
Nicholasina remarried in 1890.....
Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
Cremen Bartholomew Joseph Tynemouth 10b 395
Martin Nicholasina Tynemouth 10b 395
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Ahh I must admit that it does seem very likely that that's him, I guess we'll know for sure where the marriage certificate comes. It definitely does make sense with Charles' son having the same name as the father on the census.
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(if so, think you need to get subscription for Newspapers, lol)
Chris :)
09 August 1880 - Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette - Sunderland
Henry Martin was charged at the Castle Eden Petty Sessions on Saturday, before the Rev. J. Burdon, with attempting to murder his wife, Nicholasina Martin, at Haswell, on the 2nd inst.
23 September 1887 - Shields Daily Gazette - South Shields, Tyne and
THEFT OF A WATCH AT NORTH SHIELDS.
At the North Shields Police Court to-day, before Joseph Spence and John Robson, Louisa Keating, Nicholasina Martin, and Margaret Chilton, bad characters, were charged on remand with stealing a gold watch and albert...
14 January 1888 - Shields Daily Gazette - South Shields, Tyne and Wear
TO-DAY'S POLICE NEWS.
ALLEGED THEFT.
Nicholasina Martin was charged with having stolen a shirt, value 6s...
http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
(or Find My Past, Genes, subscription needed for all)
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Edward Walter MARTIN. Registered as Martin mmn Hammill.
Any child registered would have the surname of his/her Mother's husband - presumed to be the Father. So none/some or all of the children might not be Charles Senior's. So he could have disappeared at any time after the marriage ......(she says with a wry grin). Many a child was registered long after the "Father" had died.
PH seems to be working on one of her conspiracy theories.....
and ChrisHo as per, finding all the juicy bits (sorry - items of interest).
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oh goodness!!!! Was this family ever out of the newspapers?! haha. 'Attempting to murder his wife' and 'bad characters' - wow!!! Were did you find this? Is it on a certain website? Thank you so much Chris, how interesting - can't wait to find out if they are Charles' parents!
edit: sorry I just saw the link you have posted, replied to your comment in haste!
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It never ceases to amaze me how Chris always manages to find all the "Juicy bits"
:-D
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GreyGhost, ah I see - thank you for clearing that up, I had assumed all of the children would have been his but now I think about it, it doesn't seem very likely.
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(another, for below)
Chris :)
MARTIN, PHILIP HENRY (HAMILL)
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 245
Deaths Sep 1907 (>99%)
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MARTIN Philip Henry 6 Tynemouth 10b 116
17 August 1908 - Shields Daily News - Tynemouth, Tyne and Wear, England
IN MEMORIAM
In loving memory of Philip Henry, beloved son of Charles and Mary Ellen Martin, who died Aug. 17th, 1907, aged 6 years and 10 months.
The Angels took my child away,
and why I should repine;
for Jesus in his bosom wears,
the bud that once was mine.
Ever Remembered,
By his father, mother, and brothers, Union Street, North Shields.
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Peter Henry Martin was living at....
32, Union Street, North Shields, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England.......on the 1901 census.
I do hope i am on the right track!
Prickles.
:-)
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I am just popping this information on here in case we need to go back to it.
On the 1871 census, it states Philip H Martin was born in 1848 Faye, Cornwall.
I am wondering if "Faye" should actually read "Fowey"
The registration district of Lanteglos by Fowey, Cornwall...is Liskeard.
???
Philip Henry Martin in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Philip Henry Martin
Registration Year: 1846
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Liskeard
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 9
Page: 170
Philip Henry Martin in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Philip Henry Martin
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 24 May 1846
Baptism Place: Lanteglos-by-Fowey, Cornwall, England
Father: Philip Martin
Mother: Lucy
MARTIN, PHILIP HENRY QUINAL Order
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in LISKEARD Volume 09 Page 170
Lucy Quinel in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Lucy Quinel
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 19 Jun 1830
Marriage Place: Lanteglos-By-Fowey, Cornwall, England
Spouse: Philip Henry Martin
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Higher Pont, Lanteglos by Fowey, Liskeard, Cornwall, England
Lucy Martin Head Married Female 45 1806 Labourers Wife Lanteglos, Cornwall, England
Emma Martin Daughter - Female 9 1842 - Lanteglos, Cornwall, England
Henry Martin ******* Son - Male 5 1846 - Lanteglos, Cornwall, England
Charles Martin Son - Male 3 1848 - Lanteglos, Cornwall, England
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Paper Mills, Lantegloss, Liskeard, Cornwall, England
Philip Martin Male 40 1801 Cornwall, England
Lucy Martin Female 35 1806 Cornwall, England
Louisa Martin Female 10 1831 Cornwall, England
John Martin Male 8 1833 Cornwall, England
William Martin Male 6 1835 Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Martin Female 5 1836 Cornwall, England
Lucy appears as Louisa on the 1861 census....
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Higher Lux Street, Liskeard, Cornwall, England
Louisa Martin Head Widow Female 49 1812 Nurse Lanteglos, Cornwall, England
William Martin Son Unmarried Male 27 1834 Labourer Lanteglos, Cornwall, England
Henry Martin ***** Son Unmarried Male 27 1834 Foundry Man Lanteglos, Cornwall, England
Charles Martin Son - Male 14 1847 Errand Boy Lanteglos, Cornwall, England
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Hello all, just dropping in to let you know that the marriage certificate for Charles and Mary Ellen has arrived. His father is Philip Henry Martin. Looks like you were right PricklyHolly! Can't wait to see where it all goes from here :-D
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