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Another child born to same couple:
(James Byrne and Margaret Kavanagh)

Catherine Byrne. Born 28 Nov 1915 at 3 Stewart Villas, Dublin

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01361/1561315.pdf

There are a number of Byrne births in Dublin between 1914 and 1915 where the mother's name is also Kavanagh but these children have different parent names

Above is the only birth that I could locate with the same parents as William b 1913
James Byrne (Labourer) and Margaret Kavanagh


Edit:
1911 Marriage cert for James Byrne and Margaret Kavanagh
I missed the fact that James was a ...widower!
James lived in Bride Street at time of marriage but there are many Byrne families in this street at 1911.!
No idea how old he was and identifying prior to his marriage is proving to be a challenge


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/48388615

Also another child:

James Byrne
Born 16 July 1912
Father: James Byrne (Labourer)
Mother: Margaret Byrne (formerly Kavanagh)
Abode: 13 Townsend Street
SR District/Reg Area Dublin

(noticed below on Ancestry, was looking at recently added records)

Chris :)

Ireland, City and Regional Directories, 1850-1946

Ellen Kavanagh
1874 24 Townsend street

Ellen Kavanagh
1890 24 Townsend stroot

(mentioned as Witness for 1913 Marriage)


Edits (below if relating to Ellen above, from a query google search)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=398508.18

Would this be a possible for Rosanna, from familysearch.org?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/93P3-V37/p1

name: Rosanna Kavanagh
birth date: 02 Apr 1873
birthplace: No 2 South City, Dub, Ire
father's name: James Kavanagh
mother's name: Ellen Corrigan

Here's what looks like the wedding of that couple?
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/fc55f80097014

Area - Dublin (RC) , Parish - St. Nicholas

Marriage of JAMES CAVENAGH of 10 BLACKHALL ROW and ELLEN CORRIGAN of 13 BLACKHALL ROW on 13 September 1868
Address 10 BLACKHALL ROW 13 BLACKHALL ROW
Father JACOBI CAVENAGH JOHANNIS CORRIGAN
Mother MARGARITA ROSANNAE
Priest : JOHN BEHAN
Witness 1: PATRICK CADY
Witness 2: ANNE SPOONER

And 4 more children of that couple:
http://goo.gl/jMFQu

Wondered about this James- a widower in 1911, living in the correct area. He married Mary Dalton in 1897:

1911:
Residents of a house 6.3 in Ship Street Little (Wood Quay, Dublin)
Byrne James 35 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic City Dublin General Labourer Widower
Byrne Christopher 3 Male Son Roman Catholic City Dublin Scholar Single
Byrne Bridget 5 Female Daughter Roman Catholic City Dublin Scholar Single
Dalton Thomas 71 Male Father in Law Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Shoemaker Married
Dalton Mary 66 Female Mother in Law Roman Catholic Co Westmeath Married - 40
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1901:
Residents of a house 10.7 in Great Ship Street (Part) (Wood Quay, Dublin)
Dalton Mary 50 Female Mother Roman Cathlic City of Dublin Married
Byrne James 25 Male Son in Law Roman Cathlic City of Dublin Labourer General married
Byrne Mary 23 Female Daughter Roman Cathlic City of Dublin married
Dalton Michael 19 Male Son
Dalton Bridget 13 Female Daughter
Byrne Bridget 1 month female Gdaughter
Byrne Patrick 18 male Brother Hairdresser
Byrne William 14 male Brother Scholar

Marriage:

Date: 21 November 1897
SR District/Reg Area Dublin South
Husband: James Byrne (full age- occupation? )
Wife: Mary Dalton (minor- occupation: envelope maker)
Husband's father: William Byrne (labourer)
Wife's father: Thomas Dalton (labourer)
Witnesses: Patrick and Christina Doonan
-------------------------------------

All seems to fit also James' brothers were in Bride Street in 1911:

1911
Residents of a house 76.4 in Bride Street (Wood Quay (part of), Dublin)
Byrne Patrick 29 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic (Hairdresser)
Byrne Frances 27 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Byrne Willam 3 Male Son Roman Catholic
Byrne Ann Mary 1 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Byrne William 23 Male Boarder Roman Catholic

Yes! It is the correct James- this is his brother's marriage:

Marriage

Date 16 September 1907
SR District/Reg Area Dublin South
Husband: Patrick Byrne (Barber- full age)
Wife: Frances Thobourne (full age)
Husband's father: William Byrne- carpenter
Wife's father: William Thobourne- Barber
Witnesses: William Byrne & Mary Kenny

The children of James first marriage

Name BRIDGET BYRNE
Born 12 March 1901
SR District/Reg Area Dublin
Father: James Byrne, labourer, 10 Ship Street
Mother: Mary formerly Dalton

Bridget died 21 July 1901 at 10 Great Ship Street.
--------------------------------------------------

Thomas Stephen Byrne
Born 26 December 1904
SR District/Reg Area Dublin
Father: James Byrne, labourer, Little Ship Street
Mother: Mary formerly Dalton

Thomas Stephen Byrne died 29 June 1905 at 7 Little Ship Street
----------------------------------------------

Name BRIDGET BYRNE
Born 16 January 1906
SR District/Reg Area Dublin
Father: James Byrne, labourer, 7 Little Ship Street
Mother: Mary formerly Dalton
-------------------------------------------------

Name CHRISTOPHER BYRNE
Born15 December 1907
SR District/Reg Area Dublin
Father: James Byrne, labourer, 6 Ship Street
Mother: Mary formerly Dalton

I think James had been married before he married Margaret 1911 to Martha he was quite a lot older than his second wife im told and had a few more children could anyone trace a marriage for them ive gone thro the ones on ancestry
Thank you

I think James had been married before im told he was a lot older than Margaret who he married 1911 there was a few children to his first wife one was Kathleen and his dad was William

Pauline,
The information found shows that James Byrne was married twice.
Neither wife was called Martha

His 1st wife was Mary Dalton.
Married in 1897 and Austin also found 4 births, of which, 2 died in infancy.
Austin has already posted the 1901 census
This 1st wife died between 1907 and census date of 2 Apr 1911

Widowed James is on the 1911 census ( also posted by Austin) with his parents in law and the 2 surviving children, named Bridget and Christopher
( it's not the 1911 census that you originally identified as William's parents)

James remarried Margaret Kavanagh later in 1911 ( after the census date)

So far, only 3 births are found from this 2nd marriage.
They were: James b 1912, William b1 913 and CATHERINE b 1915
.( perhaps she was known as Kathleen but she was definitely William's younger, FULL sister)

On your opening post, the info that you provided had been taken from a 1911 census in Dublin for a family that you misidentified
This was the family of a man named James Byrne his wife, Martha Murphy with an infant daughter named Kathleen.

This is not your Byrne family.
The man on this return was a van driver from Co Wicklow.
His wife was Martha Murphy also from Co Wicklow
This is not the man who married Margaret Kavanagh later in 1911

The child named Kathleen on this return is also a coincidence
Born in 1910, she was 5yrs older than James's own daughter named Catherine who was born in 1915 to his 2nd marriage

Your James Byrne was a labourer from Dublin rather than a Van Driver from Wicklow

I believe James was married before he married Margaret and he was a lot older than her also a few children with first wife I have looked on Ancestry for a possible marriage and mothers name
Thank you for all your help

Sorry Glasgow lass just read I
the info now ..thank you

Pauline,
I'm not quite sure why you are being "told" that James had a wife named Martha but the info on your opening post definitely comes from this 1911 census in Dublin .


This census is not relevant to your family but is where your info came from......
1911
House 2 in Avondale (Kingstown No. 2, Dublin)
Byrne James 29 Male b Co Wicklow
Byrne Martha 31 Female b Co Wicklow
Byrne Kathleen 0 Female

William Byrne who was born 26 Aug 1913 at 14 Townsend Street, Dublin to James Byrne and 2nd wife, Margaret Kavanagh has no connection to this family

Thank you for all the info I think I was mislead with Martha ..in the family box there was a death for Martha died 1981 aged 74 husband James Byrne in Coolock Dublin
This is where I think it came from...

Something doesn't add up Pauline.
I am confused

If you have a death in your family box for a Martha, wife of James Byrne who died in 1981 aged 74 yrs then this woman was born somewhere around ....1906!
If this cert is found among your family possessions, then surely it must be relevant to our family?

Who do you think she was?
This is her grave:

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=97258162&PIpi=91126236

Her age doesn't fit with any of the information that you supplied.
Especially not with the birth of William Byrne in 1913
(If she was 74 yrs old when she died it means she was only about 7yrs older than William ?}


If the 1981 death cert held in you family box is indeed relevant to your family, then you may need to start at the beginning again and work backwards again because the timeline doesn't fit

How do you connect to the Byrne family

But Pauline also has the birth certificate of William born 1913?

I know Austin and that's why I am bamboozled.

How does the 1981 death of a 74yr old woman named Martha connect to William who was about 7yrs her junior?

Her grave info states that her husband was in Deansgrange Cemetery.

There is a corresponding grave for a man named James Byrne who died on 18 Jan 1951 but I could not guarantee that this was her husband
Mentioned on the family grave of his sister who was born in 1874!

I tried to identify this man who died on 18 Jan 1951 but found none with this exact date
I located 6 deaths for men named James Byrne who died in Dublin in Jan 1951 but only 2 were married.(also 2 widowed and 2 single)
Both died in hospital and both deaths registered by hospital staff
One was 68yrs old and the other 75yrs old

I am starting to wonder if Margaret Kavanagh also died and her widower married a 3rd time?

3rd wife named Martha perhaps?

Edit:
Can't be right either.
The father of James who died in 1951 was called James !

the death notice was in with the family papers she was the wife of a James Byrne...this is where I got misled your info is all correct Glasgow lass and I am so pleased you could help and Austin,I was trying to explain where I got Martha from she now could have been married to a family member ...thank you

Sorry to ask again
I am trying to find why about William BYRNE father of James 1876 Patrick 1893 William1887 on the censes they always lived with someone else not there parents
James has always seemed to take care of them
Thank you

Sorry to ask again
I am trying to find why about William BYRNE father of James 1876 Patrick 1893 William1887 on the censes they always lived with someone else not there parents
James has always seemed to take care of them
Thank you

Pauline. I am totally lost as to who Wm (snr.) is and also the children mentioned above..
What Census are you are you referring to and "they always lived with someone else not their parents" can you clarify who these are in relation to James Byrne and ? Martha Kavenagh