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safc, you're my hero :) can't thank you enough :-)
Why can't I find things like this?? :-(
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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Providence Place, St Ives, St Ives Union, Huntingdonshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Henry Ablet Male 30 1811 Huntingdonshire, England
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Elizabeth Ablet Female 30 1811 Huntingdonshire, England
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William Ablet Male 5 1836 Huntingdonshire, England
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Susan Ablet Female 3 1838 Huntingdonshire, England
henry is a shoemaker
on the 1861 census henry is crossed out
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Joseph Pedley Ablett owes his middle name to his mother
from GRO .........
ABLETT, JOSEPH PEDLEY mmn PEDLEY
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in ST IVES UNION Volume 14 Page 211
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ABLETT, SARAH ANN mmn PEDLEY
GRO Reference: 1844 J Quarter in ST IVES UNION Volume 14 Page 221
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THOMAS, SIDNEY JOSEPH ABLETT -
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in THANET Volume 02A Page 914
THOMAS, FREDERICK HENRY ABLETT -
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1035
no mmn shown, so certain that children were illegitimate, parents not married
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don't know if you have these records ...... from ancestry
London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Joseph Pedley Ablett
Year: 1908
County or Borough: Wandsworth
Ward or Division/Constituency: Battersea
Street address: 39 Eckstein road
He seems to be sharing the house with an Edward Agnew. No-one else shown as resident at that address
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Joseph Pedley Ablett
Death Date: 16 Feb 1908
Death Place: Surrey, England
Probate Date: 2 Mar 1908
Registry: London, England
from image:-
of 39 Eckstein Road, Clapham Junction, London, died 16 February 19098. Administration granted London 2 March 1908 to Sidney Robert Ablett, Commercial Clerk. Effects £30 0s 1d
Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900
Name: Joseph Pedley . Ablett
College: CHRIST'S
Entered: Michs. 1871
More Information: Adm. pens. at CHRIST'S, Oct. 13, 1871. S. of Henry. B. Nov. 4, 1846, at St Ives. Matric. Michs. 1871; B.A. 1875. Previously a schoolmaster for five years.
no image of this collection
There are 6 Public Family Trees with Joseph Pedley Ablett on ancestry
One owned by Sharon Ablett has this record for his father's marriage, notes that it is from Pallot's Marriage Index for England
Henry Ablett
Marriage
27 Jan 1835
St. Ives, Huntingdonshire
Spouse
Elizabeth Pedley
Another tree owned by debbietibando shows this transcription of the Pallot's record ...........
England, Pallot's Marriage Index, 1780-1837
Name Hy Ablett
Spouse Esth Pedley
Marriage Date 1835
Parish T S Ives Huntingdon
The image could be a shortened version of Elizabeth
Ancestry does have two transcriptions of this record, and the one for her is definitely Ezth ..........l
England, Pallot's Marriage Index, 1780-1837
Name: Elzth Pedley
Spouse: Hy Ablett
Marriage Date: 1835
Parish: St Ives
Re possibility that Frederica Thomas was possible mother of the two children ........ I note that she was 34 in 1901. That means she would only have been about 15/16 in 1882 when Thomas was born.
However, the name Frederick may indicate that she was the mother of the younger child.
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did you see the 1911 census for Frederica Thomas??
1911 Census
Name: Frederica Thomas
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Battersea
Civil Parish: Battersea
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 39 Eckstein Road SW <<<<<<<<<<<
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: STILL ROOM MAID HOTEL
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration district: South West Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 2225
Elizabeth Thomas 85 b.ca 1826, Plumstead, Kent
Frederica Thomas 40
Elizabeth has put X and X in the 2 columns for number of children born and still living.
Not clear what that means
Frederica does not have any children
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Thanks Sylvia. Great work
Sharon Ablett and i are in contact, and between us we have a lot of information ... It's just the marriage (as per census) of Joseph Pedley Ablett we are missing. :-)
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I'm guessing that he either married overseas for some reason, or he did not marry the mother(s) of his children for some reason unknown ......
..... possibly he simply wanted an heir and a spare OR he just did not want to marry but his lover(s) became pregnant, and he took on the children (because of the heir theory).
Have you thought of getting his will to see how he distributed his estate? The Administrator Sidney Robert Ablett would have had to do as had been written.
If not, I suggest that you do get it, that MIGHT answer some questions, eg if he left something to Frederica and/or her mother ................. I find it interesting that they are living at the same address in 1911.
My theory of the heir and spare comes from the fact that we once had a neighbour here who had never married, but at over 55 realised owned a house and had some money but no heir ............ so he went to a foreign country, married a very young woman, brought her back, they had 1 child ............... and never co-habited again.
He made a small flat in his basement and lived down there while wife and daughter lived upstairs! He paid most living costs for them although the wife did get a job, sent the child to a private school and was thrilled when she won a scholarship to one of the top US universities.
Daughter got most of his estate when he died, wife sold the house and moved elsewhere in the city.
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Incidentally, I don't know whether you had found this, but I noted that Frederica and her mother also seemed to use the name Thomson on earlier censuses.
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