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6 May 2017 19:47 |
I'm trying to tie up a few loose ends on my tree which are not absolutely essential to find, but with which I am going round in circles :-)
William Fishlock my gt gt grandfather married his 2nd ( and much younger) wife Annie Maria Wakeford in 1888 ( both his marriages confirmed by certs on Ancestry and I don't need anything on the Fishlocks) . Ann Maria Wakeford's brother John married Caroline Elizabeth Kerchevall
Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%) Kerchevall Caroline Elizabeth Fulham 1a 493 Wakeford John Fulham 1a 493
1901 census John is at his parent's home Name: John Wakeford Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Father: George Wakeford Mother: Emily Wakeford Birth Place: Chiswick, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Chiswick
Registration district: Brentford Sub-registration district: Chiswick ED, institution, or vessel: 07 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1198 Folio: 40 Page Number: 6 Household schedule number: 38 Household Members: Name Age George Wakeford 68 Emily Wakeford 57 John Wakeford 26 married <<<< ( born 1874 confirmed on GRO) Joseph Wakeford 24 Rose Wakeford 13
Meanwhile Caroline is listed ( either in error or something fishy going on) as wife of William Fishlock, at 140 Teviot Street
Name: William J Fishlock Age: 57 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Caroline E Fishlock Birth Place: Isleworth, London, England Civil Parish: Bromley Search Photos: Search for 'Bromley' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew Bromley Town: London County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Bromley ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 345 Folio: 90 Page Number: 13 Household schedule number: 99 Household Members: Name Age William J Fishlock 57 Caroline E Fishlock 27 Mary E Herchivall 10 ( Caroline's sister surname is Kerchevall )
I Know that William J Fishlock is showing as a widower in 1911 living with his son and family and I 'suspect' but don't yet have the cert that his wife Annie may have died 1897 .
But I can't find either John Wakeford or Caroline Elizabeth Wakeford after 1901 or a re-marriage or death between 1901 and 1911 that fits with their ages that I haven't discounted.
baptism for Caroline Name: Caroline Kerchevall Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 19 Jul 1874 Father's name: Henry Kerchevall Mother's name: Ann Kerchevall Parish or Poor Law Union: Old Brentford St George Borough: Hounslow Register Type: Parish Registers
If anyone's bored I would very much appreciate a second pair of eyes :-D
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6 May 2017 19:49 |
Found an old thread so please don't look for Mary Kerchevall as a means to find Caroline, as she was not still with her sister or family http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1290254
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6 May 2017 21:01 |
could caroline have married again
Caroline Elizabeth Wakeford England and Wales Marriage Registration Index Name Caroline Elizabeth Wakeford Event Type Marriage Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Registration Year 1910 Registration District Islington County London Event Place Islington, London, England Volume 1B Page 345 Line Number 94 Caroline Elizabeth Wakeford probably married one of the following people Name Charles William Rowe Name Charles Jones Turner Name Maud Velton Underwood
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6 May 2017 21:16 |
Not the one unfortunately Malyon, wrong age and wrong father
name: Caroline Elizabeth Wakeford Estimated birth year: abt 1886 Age: 24 Spouse: Charles William Rowe Spouse Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 15 May 1910 Parish: Emmanuel Borough: Islington Father Name: Jesse Wakeford Spouse Father: Charles Rowe Register Type: Parish Register
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6 May 2017 21:23 |
Not her either Malyon, Annie was born 1865 Brentford. Thanks for looking though :-)
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6 May 2017 21:36 |
her name is anna
Anna Maria Wakeford England and Wales Birth Registration Index Name Anna Maria Wakeford Event Type Birth Registration Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar Registration Year 1865 Registration District Brentford County Middlesex Event Place Brentford, Middlesex, England Volume 3A Page 72 Line Number 82
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6 May 2017 21:48 |
did anna maria fishlock marry again
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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6 May 2017 21:49 |
WAKEFORD, ANNA MARIA FRANCIS GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 72
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6 May 2017 21:50 |
On her birth reg it is Malyon but on her marriage and the census it is variously Anne ( 1871) and Annie M( marriage and 1891) .
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6 May 2017 21:55 |
Signatures of John Wakeford look suspiciously similar?
London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:John Wakeford
Estimated birth year:abt 1873
Age:20
Spouse: Caroline Elizabeth Kerchevall
Spouse Age:20
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:14 Nov 1893
Parish:St John the Evangelist, Hammersmith
Borough:Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name:George Wakeford
Spouse Father:Henry Kercheval
Register Type:Parish Register
England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:John Wakeford
Estimated birth year:abt 1874
Age:25
Spouse: Alice Mary Roffe
Spouse Age:24
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:25 Nov 1899
Parish:St Stephen, Shepherds Bush
Borough:Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name:George Wakeford
Spouse Father:Abraham Roffe
Register Type:Parish Register
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6 May 2017 21:55 |
That's the right one Mel, her mmn was Francis , checked against parents marriage and births of siblings.
as far as I know she did not marry again as William stated he was a widower in 1911, BUT as said I don't have a death cert, the closest is an Annie Fishlock death Deaths Dec 1897 (>99%) Fishlock Annie 36 Whitechapel 1c 226
I think I will get that as a long shot.
the age is out to birthdate but does tie in with her age given on 1891 census... both she and William were less than accurate about ages, especially his when they married!
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6 May 2017 22:03 |
Choccy, i think you're right they do look similar don't they and father's occ is the same.
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6 May 2017 22:21 |
They are definately the same.
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6 May 2017 22:24 |
But where is Alice in 1901 when John is at his parents, and my gt gt gf is playing house with John's first wife :-0 it gets worse instead of better lol
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6 May 2017 22:31 |
I can't see any other John Wakeford born c1875, with father George, in 1881 census.
Of course that George might have died before 1881.
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6 May 2017 22:33 |
Can any of you find John and Alice on the census?
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ArgyllGran
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6 May 2017 22:49 |
No, can't see them anywhere.
They don't' seem to have emigrated, either.
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6 May 2017 22:51 |
Not that it helps really but parents George and Emily in 1911, generally speaking the Fishlock and associated families all stayed within the Chiswick/Brentford/Isleworth/Fulham area
Name: Emily Wakeford Age in 1911: 67 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Chiswick, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Chiswick Search Photos: Search for 'Chiswick' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 42 Binns Road, Chiswick, London Marital Status: Married Occupation: Home Duties Registration district: Brentford Registration District Number: 128 Sub-registration district: Chiswick ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 419 Piece: 6935 Household Members: Name Age George Wakeford 78 Emily Wakeford 67 William Herbert Forster 21 <<< he's not on the image
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6 May 2017 23:11 |
??
Marriages Sep 1905
BUCK William Horace Richmond S. 2a 1050
ROFFE Alice Richmond, S. 2a 1050
1939 Register
Buck Household (2 People)
39a Chilton Road , Richmond M.B., Surrey, England
William (A) Buck 28 Feb 1907 Male Gas Fitter (Heavy Worker) Widowed 64 1
Alice M Buck 01 Sep 1875 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 64 2
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6 May 2017 23:14 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
15 Chilton Road Richmond, North Sheen, Surrey, England
Alice Mary Buck Wife Married Female - 36 1875 Kent Tunbridge Wilts Dorothy E Buck Daughter - Female - 5 1906 Middlesex St Margets William A Buck Son - Male - 4 1907 Surrey Richmond T Henry J Buck Son - Male - 1 1910 Surrey Richmond
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