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Nicely found! I did take a quick look earlier for him, but missed that one,

John Barnes
in the 1911 England Census



Name: John Barnes
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wick <<<<<Chiswick not Wick !
Civil Parish: Islington
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: His Majesty's Prison, Pentonville, Caledonian Road, Islington
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: BRICKLAYERS LABOURER
Registration district: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration district: Lower Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Piece: 871

Thank you Austin, that certainly looks very interesting :-) That was my next port of call, the criminal possibilities. It might explain a lot I think, also some of the changes of occupation on marriages and census.

Maybe he chose the surname Barnes as an alias because it is just across the river from Chiswick. :-D

Thought you might like to look into this- thought it could be your man (this particular crime was for breaking into a church):

FMP:
England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment
First name(s) John
Last name Barnes Or Wakeford
Year 1909
Birth year 1875
Occupation Painter
County Gloucester
Court Gloucester
Age 34
Date 20 Oct 1909
5 previous convictions- all under John Wakeford (4 in London, 1 in Devon)- mostly stealing. In 1907 he was listed as a labourer.
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Same man on the prison records Ancestry- note his place of birth:

Gloucestershire, England, Prison Records
Name: John Barnes
Age: 34
Record Type: Nominal Prisoners' Registers
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birth Place: Chiswick<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occ: Painter
Conviction or Committal Date: 27 Sep 1909
Gaol or Prison: The County Gaol
Gaol or Prison Place: Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Transferred to Worcester Prison Jan 1910
Discharge Date: 19 Apr 1910
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Gloucestershire Chronicle - Saturday 23 October 1909
Breaking into a Church
John Barnes (34) painter was charged with breaking into a church at Patchway with intent to commit a felony therein on September 19th, 1909- He pleaded guilty. The chairman remarked that what the prisoner did was a very serious thing and he must go to gaol for six months' hard labour. Prisoner had previously been convicted at West London.

Thanks once again to every one who has helped :-)

I think this may be Alice in 1901 reverted to name Roffe, after findong John Wakeford was already married? but it's still a mystery where Caroline went to :-S

Name: Alice Roffe
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Willesden
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Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 59
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1224
Folio: 90
Page Number: 8
Household schedule number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice M Grey 47
Theodosia M Spencer 42
Ada M Stuart 20
Amy M Adams 39
Mery J Hitchcock 39
Elizabeth Bates 29
Alice Roffe 25

that would possibly make that John a son of the Charles Wakeford whose daughter Mary married in Turnham Green, so from Sussex originally and so not mine.

looks like a different John see my edit to above message.

Maryb

Mind you there is another Wakeford family in Turnham Green as per this marriage

VIEW London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Mary Wakeford
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Age: 27
Spouse: Paul Schreiber
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Aug 1891
Parish: Turnham Green
Borough: Hounslow
Father Name: Charles Wakeford
Spouse Father: Joseph Schreiber
Register Type: Parish Register

Thanks mary, it gets stranger by the day!

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Name: Joseph Wakeford
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Age: 27
Spouse: Elizabeth Ann Head
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Dec 1903
Parish: Turnham Green
Borough: Hounslow
Father Name: George Wakeford ( coal merchant)
Spouse Father: George Head
Register Type: Parish Register

1901 brother Joseph at home he is a house painter.

26/12/1903? married in Parish of Turnham Green
Joseph Wakeford 49,Holly Road Chiswick age 27 a painter dad George a coal merchant not deceased to
Elizabeth Ann Head.

1911 76,High Street Hounslow
Joseph Wakeford
Elizabeth wife 28 born Hammersmith
Richard head 18 brother
Albert Wakeford son.

Next door
1911 78,High Street
John Wakeford 1868 Brighton Sussex a Farrier
Annie 1875 Beenham Berkshire
Kate Amelia Wakeford 1907
Compere John's signature on this!!

Kate Amelia nee Greetham 1907 died Brentford 1936

John Wakeford married O/N/D 1904 Croyden Surrey V2a P 732 to Annie Greetham

I can't find a John Wakeford born in Brighton 1868,if it isn't brother of Joseph it's a bit of a coincidence.


EDIT maybe not, trees on Ancestry say he was John William Wakeford. born 1867.Sussex.

Maryb.

Mary, I don't know but I might make the guess that as the 1899 marriage is bigamous John gave his father as deceased ( basing that on my bigamous grandfather on other side doing similar) ?

on the marriage of Annie gives George as a labourer

Name: Annie Maria Wakeprd ( Wakeford)
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Age: 23
Spouse: William John Fishlock
Spouse Age: 46
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Jun 1888
Parish: St Michael and All Angels, Bedford Park
Borough: Hounslow
Father Name: George Wakeferd
Spouse Father: William Fishlock
Register Type: Parish Register

witnesses George and Emily Wakeford

1899 marriage says dad George is deceased and an engineer
1901 John at home with parents Emily and George a coal and coke dealer!!

So were there 2 John Wakeford's with dad named George?

Maryb.

BUCK, HENRY JAMES mmn ROFFE
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in RICHMOND SURREY Volume 02A Page 476

Thanks all , will come back to it in the morning :-)

Thanks very much Choccy :-)

this I think is the youngest child from that 1871census and Alice and Ellen are with him

1881
Name: Arthur Roffe
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relationship to Head: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Tonbridge, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Tonbridge
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: "Union Workhouse" Sandhill Near Pembury Tonbridg

Deaths Sep 1877

ROFFE Abraham 37 Tunbridge 2a 303



Deaths Jun 1878

ROFFE Clara 40 Tunbridge 2a 324

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Tunnell Road, Tunbridge, Tonbridge, Kent, England


Abraham Roffe Head - Male 31 1840 - Kent, England

Clara Roffe Wife - Female 33 1838 - Staffordshire, England

Fanny Roffe Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Middlesex, England

Harry Roffe Son - Male 6 1865 - Kent, England

Ellen Roffe Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Kent, England

Arthur Roffe Son - Male 0 1871 - Kent, England

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census


15 Chilton Road Richmond, North Sheen, Surrey, England


Alice Mary Buck Wife Married Female - 36 1875 Kent Tunbridge Wilts

Dorothy E Buck Daughter - Female - 5 1906 Middlesex St Margets

William A Buck Son - Male - 4 1907 Surrey Richmond
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Henry J Buck Son - Male - 1 1910 Surrey Richmond

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Marriages Sep 1905

BUCK William Horace Richmond S. 2a 1050

ROFFE Alice Richmond, S. 2a 1050



1939 Register


Buck Household (2 People)

39a Chilton Road , Richmond M.B., Surrey, England


William (A) Buck 28 Feb 1907 Male Gas Fitter (Heavy Worker) Widowed 64 1

Alice M Buck 01 Sep 1875 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 64 2

Not that it helps really but parents George and Emily in 1911, generally speaking the Fishlock and associated families all stayed within the Chiswick/Brentford/Isleworth/Fulham area

Name: Emily Wakeford
Age in 1911: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Chiswick, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Chiswick
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 42 Binns Road, Chiswick, London
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Home Duties
Registration district: Brentford
Registration District Number: 128
Sub-registration district: Chiswick
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 419
Piece: 6935
Household Members:
Name Age
George Wakeford 78
Emily Wakeford 67
William Herbert Forster 21 <<< he's not on the image