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Just for information:
Harry's (1891) parents:

Marriages Mar 1883
Gretton Harry Burton 6b 467
Williams Lucy Burton 6b 467

and 1901 census:
Harry Gretton 42 Marksfield
Lucy Gretton 39 Marksfield
Gertrude Gretton 15 Groby
Minnie Gretton 13 Leicester
Alfred Gretton 11 Leicester
Harry Gretton 10 Leicester
Elsie Gretton 8 Leicester

There are other possibles within the family that Joonie posted- Just been looknig at the sons born to Eliza's siblings- wondered about Harry Gretton born 1922?:

Harold Gretton m Prudence Lewis
son: Jack E L Gretton 01 Jan 1926 <<<<<<d1979

Edwin Gretton d1918 - don't see any children for him

Eliza Gretton m John H Day
son John H Day 1920>>>>>d1920
son: Harry Day 1926>>>d1926
son Walter Day 1926<<<d1926
son: Frederick Day 1929<<<<<possible death 1936

William Gretton m Nora Stevenson
son: William Gretton 25 Feb 1916<<<<<d1985
son: Harry Gretton 18 Feb 1922<<<<<<<<d2001*****

Sarah Jane Gretton m Alfred Harrington
son: Lawrence Harrington 1927 <<<<<<<< d1997
son: Edwin Harrington 25 Dec 1929<<<<d1970

George Gretton- unsure of any children born to him

Robert Gretton died without issue

Herbert W Gretton m Alice Payne
son: Reginald Gretton 08 Apr 1914>>>d1993

I know patchem, I couldn't make Harry Lawson Gretton match up with Eliza :-(

But ... I think there may be a case of "th" cousin here, and the connection could lie further back than Eliza's siblings.

Harry Lawson Gretton makes absolute sense.

Children named for their parent often went by a middle name, and Larry is the obvious nickname for Lawson.

For there to be nothing at all on line to show Larry Gretton's real full name - !

Harry Gretton
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name
Harry Gretton
Event Type
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter
Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year
1922
Registration District
Leicester
County
Leicestershire
Event Place
Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3)
Smith
Volume
7A
Page
406
Line Number
48

Harry Gretton
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name
Harry Gretton
Event Type
Death Registration
Registration Quarter
Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year
2001
Registration District
Basford
County
Nottinghamshire
Event Place
Basford, Nottinghamshire, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969)
18 Feb 1922
Volume
6852
Page
C37B

You could try contacting the Joe Loss Orchestra fan club, the "Toddlers":

Telephone: 01628 528509

Toddlers, Old Orchard, 39 Straight Bit, Flackwell Heath, Buckinghamshire, HP10 9LT.

http://www.toddmillermusic.com

Harry Gretton, 1921, is in a tree on Ancestry, with marriage and children etc. Higginson family tree (LVernest) - worth contacting the owner to see what information they have.

Herbert Gretton, father of Eliza, in 1871 in Carlton

William Gretton 38 born Bingham
Mary A Gretton 32
John Gretton 14
Robert Gretton 12
> Herbert Gretton 9
Alice Gretton 6
Edwin Gretton 3 Days

This appears to be Eliza's grandfather William in 1841 in Shelford, Bingham reg dist

George Gretton 40 born Bingham per 1851
Sarah Gretton 40
Ann Gretton 14
> William Gretton 8



Harry Gretton, grandfather of Harry Lawson Gretton, in 1861 in Groby, Leicestershire

Elizabeth Wykes 59
John Wykes 59
> Mary Ann Gretton 35 - his mother, widowed
Henry Wykes 29
Sarah Ann Gretton 12
Harriett Gretton 4
> Harry Gretton 2

Marriages Sep 1855
Gretton Isaac Leicester 7a 292
Wykes Mary Ann Leicester 7a 292

GRETTON, ISAAC age at death 34
1859 D Quarter in MARKET BOSWORTH Volume 07A Page 55

Isaac's family in 1841 in Newton Linford Leics:

Benjamin Gretton 60*
Sherdocia Gretton 55
> Isacc Gretton 14

*1851 census shows him born in Staffordshire:

Name Benjamin Gretton
Christening Date 07 Jun 1781
Christening Place Burton-upon-Trent, Stafford, England
Father's Name Richard Gretton
Mother's Name Elizabeth

children all baptised Newton Linford Leics:

Thomas 1815
Samuel c1822 (from census)
James 1822
Isaac 1825



So back to 1841 at least, the two Gretton families do not intersect, with Eliza's being in Nottinghamshire and Harry Lawson's being in Leicestershire from Staffordshire.

I'm suspecting family legend -- although the likelihood is certainly that there is a connection somewhere back in the tree.

... IF Harry Lawson Gretton is the man, of course. Larry Gretton might be some other Gretton child in Eliza's family.


ArgyllGran's suggestion of the fan club is an excellent one!

thank you for all your help I will keep searching something may just turn up unexpected thank you .margaret

But you aren't considering taking the advice offered, Margaret?

Contacting the Joe Loss Orchestra fan club ...

Contacting Elton John (I was quite serious, since his father worked with Larry Gretton, and, if nothing else, he might well know Larry's full/real name or age) ...

Contacting the Ancestry tree owner with Harry Gretton, 1921, in their tree ...


My guess is still that you are looking at a family legend that grew up around the name, but the connection, if any, is extremely remote.