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please can you find john malyon in census 1861 on wards and if he married parents john and maria malyon found a death that could be him


Deaths Jun 1888   (>99%)
MALYON
 John
 37
 Camberwell
 1d
419

thank you

He's not obvious Malyon - what area might he be in and what else do you know about his parents and possible siblings please?

Dea x

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MALYON, JOHN SAUNDERS Order
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 04 Page 29

MALYON, RICHARD SAUNDERS Order
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 98

MALYON, WILLIAM JOSEPH SAUNDERS Order
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in ST GEORGE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 116

MALYON, ELIZA RICHARDSON SAUNDERS Order
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN, BERMONDSEY, SURREY Volume 01D Page 106

1861?

Name: John Malyon
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: 1852
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Malyon
Mother's name: Maria M Malyon
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Bermondsey St James
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St James
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Piece: 321
Folio: 66
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
John Malyon 36
Maria M Malyon 32
>>>>>John Malyon 9
Richard Malyon 7
Annie Malyon 5
Eliza Malyon 3
William Malyon 1
Source Citation

Class: RG 9; Piece: 321; Folio: 66; Page: 6; GSU roll: 542614


Andy

they are his siblings Richard and William that's his birth mother is maria saunders
found the census for the family but not for john wonder if theres a different spelling for malyon

1881?

Name: John Malyion
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relationship to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 48 Harling St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Carman
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 694
Folio: 22
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfd. Daniel Freeman 35
Matilda Freeman 33
Edward Freeman 13
Ellen Freeman 11
Kate Freeman 9
William Freeman 6
Alfred Freeman 4
Arthur Freeman
William Freeman 37
John Malyion 29 Occ Carman

Andy

Could be that he was born after the 1851 Census was taken ............ he's registered in the June quarter of 1851.

The 1851 Census for England was taken on the night of 30 March 1851.


and Andy found him in the 1861, with estimated birth year 1852 ............ posted above.

Estimated birth year 1852 accurate if census taken before his 10th birthday :-)

thank you yes that is him in the census wanted to find him in 1871 to see if he married

you didn't mention 1871 before!

For info

This looks like his mother in 1871 with some of the children. The Hopkins stated to be 'children by former husband'.

Name: Maria Malyon
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 254
Piece: 638
Folio: 24
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria Malyon 42
Thomas Hopkins 20
Richard Malyon 17
William Malyon 11
Benjamin Malyon 8
Albert Ed Malyon 7
Eliza Malyon 11
Laura D Hopkins 21
James R Hopkins 22
Annie L Hopkins 16
Anne M Hopkins 9

Andy

yes I have that census Benjamin was my gt grandad it was john I wanted to find I do think that could be his death in
1888 its the right age

He doesn't have a middle initial does he?????

1871 Census

Name: J W M
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: St Sepulchre
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough
Town: Northampton
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Northampton
Sub-registration district: St Giles
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1482
Folio: 78
Page Number: 1

Unmarried, Plumber

Borough Gaol

no that's his birth that nyx posted at 19.41 bit of a strange family john and Richard born 1851 and 1853 then there is a daughter annie l Hopkins 1856 by maria's former husband Thomas hopkins

18/10/1871 Newington Workhouse Saint Saviours Union.
John Malyon religion RC born 1849 a Carman.

Maryb.

not sure don't think they were R C but I cant see a john malyon born that year my john was born 1851 so it could be him thank you

From other 'Threads' relating on google search, below were Marriages...

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1861 (>99%)
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HOPKINS Maria Lambeth 1d 455
Malyon John Lambeth 1d 455


MargaretM Report 27 Jan 2016 20:09

He was a bachelor but she was a widow, her father's name Richard Saunder, a tanner. He was a leather shaver and his father a baker.

John Malyon

in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
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Name: John Malyon
Spouse: Maria Hopkins
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Nov 1861
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John Malyon (occ. Baker)
Spouse Father: Richard Saunders
Register Type: Parish Register


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GlitterBaby Report 28 Feb 2015 13:47

No middle name showing on the record

Name: Maria Saunders - shown as a minor
Spouse: Thomas James Hopkins - fishmonger
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Dec 1846
Parish: St Mary, Newington
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Richard Saunders - occupation of tanner
Spouse Father: Thomas Hopkins
Register Type: Parish Register


1871 (Reference, from FMP)
Maria Malyon Wife - Female 42 1829 - Surrey, England
Thomas Hopkins Son By Former Husband - Male 21 1850 - Surrey, England
Richard Malyon Son - Male 17 1854 - Surrey, England
William Malyon Son - Male 11 1860 - Surrey, England
Benjamin Malyon Son - Male 8 1863 - Surrey, England
Albert Ed Malyon Son - Male 7 1864 - Surrey, England
Eliza Malyon Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Northumberland, England
Laura A Hopkins Daughter-In-Law - Female 21 1850 - Gloucestershire, England
James R Hopkins Son By Former Husband - Male 22 1849 - Surrey, England
Annie L Hopkins Daur By Former Husband - Female 16 1855 - Northumberland, England
Anne M Hopkins Granddaughter - Female 0 1871 - Surrey, England
Street Rolls Road
Parish Bermondsey
City Southwark
County London, Surrey
Registration district St Olave Southwark
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 638
Folio 24
Page 42


Edits (and that 1888 Camberwell Burial you mention, on below, credits needed to view)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch


London, Docklands and East End Baptisms, 1558-1933 Transcription (Find My Past) (should also be Ancestry)

First name(s) Thomas James
Last name Hopkins
Birth year 1826
Baptism year 1826
Baptism date 20 Aug 1826
Address Willow Walk
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's occupation Fishmonger
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Parish St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
Church address Bermondsey Street


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Greater London Burial Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Thomas James
Last name Hopkins
Age at death 22
Birth year 1826
Burial year 1848
Burial date 10 September 1848
Residence St George Southwark
Parish Bermondsey, St Mary Magdalen


1841 (Find My Past)
Thomas Hopkins Male 39 1802 (Fishmonger)
Ann Hopkins Female 36 1805 Surrey, England
Thomas James Hopkins Male 15 1826 Surrey, England
Caroline Hopkins Female 13 1828 Surrey, England
Street West Street
Parish or township Bermondsey
County London, Surrey
Registration district Bermondsey
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1047
Book number 3
Folio number 6
Page number 6

Yes that is them married a while after the children were born had two more after marriage thank you

The 1888 burial from Deceased on line

Malyon,John
Buried On: 05 May 1888
Recorded at: Camberwell Old Cemetery (Southwark)

It would cost £2 worth of credits to access the image - minimum spend of £5. There may not be enough detail to identify if he is 'yours'. On the other hand, its cheaper than a DC!

Wonder if this is same guy as I posted earlier

Discharged from Newington workhouse 15/11/1871 John Malyon 18 = 1853.
so if it was then they weren't sure of his age as on admission he was born 1849.

No sign of your John's dad John born 1826 in 1871 either!!

Maryb