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(Cert. might help with Address at time!)

Chris :)

i am sure john born 1851 Bermondsey the birth you posted

(looks Sarah Robertson on image Mary, could be him!)

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1348257?d=asc

(you don't seem sure sure of where John Malyon was born)

(on 1861 Marriage image, his father John, occ. Baker)

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1851 Westgate Newcastle Upon Tyne
Head Sarah Richardson 1792 Ireland
John Malyon lodger 1827 Brampton Cumberland mar and a leather Shaver.

Maryb.

I take it 1851 hasn't been found (not seeing on other 'Threads') with 1851 Census taken 30th March, and below, would have thought they were in Bermondsey, somewhere!...this is where the birth Cert. would help (Address perhaps) not seeing any Baptism on London, Ancestry)

MALYON, JOHN (SAUNDERS)
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 04 Page 29

Chris :)

maria was with john malyon in 1851 as she was having his baby john born 1851
she may not be living with him

Where is Maria Hopkins on 1851?, below Son is with Grandparents Thomas and Ann Hopkins, West Street, Bermondsey (same address as 1841)

HOPKINS, JAMES RICHARD (SAUNDERS)
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY, SURREY

So if Thomas James Death 1848 (as Burial posted earlier) don't think you can too much notice of 1871, haven't you got the Death Cert.?, in fact, I see I asked on a previous 'Thread' just what Certs. you did have to work from!.


Deaths Sep 1848 (>99%)
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Hopkins Thomas James St Geo South 4 311


(References)

Greater London Burial Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Thomas James
Last name Hopkins
Age at death 22
Birth year 1826
Burial year 1848
Burial date 10 September 1848
Residence St George Southwark
Parish Bermondsey, St Mary Magdalen


London, Docklands and East End Baptisms, 1558-1933 Transcription (Find My Past) (should also be Ancestry)

First name(s) Thomas James
Last name Hopkins
Birth year 1826
Baptism year 1826
Baptism date 20 Aug 1826
Address Willow Walk
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's occupation Fishmonger
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Parish St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
Church address Bermondsey Street


HOPKINS, THOMAS PETER (SAUNDERS)
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY

(so just two children by Thomas John?)


Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)
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HOPKINS Thomas Peter St.Olave 1d 376
PHILP Caroline Amelia St. Olave 1d 376

(from that image, London, Ancestry, his Father, Thomas Hopkins occ. Fish Salesman)



All London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 (Ancestry)

James Richard Hopkins
17 Oct 1847 Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene Southwark
Thomas Hopkins (occ. Fishmonger)
Maria Hopkins
(Abode, Elim Street)

the birth was reg in malyon mother saunders but it was the 1871 that got me confused when it said that annie was daughter of former husband and says she is Hopkins also says eliza is born in Northumberland when she was born in bermondsey

well, a married woman's baby was always assumed to be fathered by her husband, even if he had been dead many years ...........

I found one where the husband had been dead 10 years, and I was told the other week of one where he'd been dead 12 years!

If the mother says she is married, she was not asked if the baby was her husband's ....... that was the immediate assumption. She wasn't asked that question, nor was she asked to provide proof that he was alive!

this is confusing to me yes that is john born 1851 and Richard was born in 1853 to maria saunders in the 1871 census it states annie L is daughter by former could be a mistake

Well who was below, posted earlier...sorry, but think this is all confusing, have you been buying Certs. as you worked back?...

(also you mention Annie 1855 on another 'Thread', but do you have her Birth Cert., why Northumberland on 1871, also Eliza?)


If Births below...

MALYON, ANNA SUSAN LUCY (SAUNDERS)
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 22


MALYON, ELIZA RICHARDSON (SAUNDERS)
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN, BERMONDSEY, SURREY


Marriages Mar 1880 (>99%)
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Imms Thomas Arthur Camberwell 1d 885
Malyon Ann Susan L Camberwell 1d 885

(on Ancestry, London, Father John Malyon, occ. Leather Dresser)

Chris :)

Nyx Report 28 Jul 2017 19:41

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MALYON, JOHN SAUNDERS Order
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 04 Page 29

chris ho you found a death for Thomas james Hopkins who was married to maria what puzzles me is that maria had a daughter annie 1855 but he died in 1848

john the father sometimes went away Newcastle or Bristol john the son was born 1851 think this is him in 1851 census

John Malyon
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Collections from
Great Britain, England
Country
England
County
Northumberland
Year
1851
Birth Year
1827
Age
24
Registration District
Newcastle-Upon-

Wonder if this is same guy as I posted earlier

Discharged from Newington workhouse 15/11/1871 John Malyon 18 = 1853.
so if it was then they weren't sure of his age as on admission he was born 1849.

No sign of your John's dad John born 1826 in 1871 either!!

Maryb

The 1888 burial from Deceased on line

Malyon,John
Buried On: 05 May 1888
Recorded at: Camberwell Old Cemetery (Southwark)

It would cost £2 worth of credits to access the image - minimum spend of £5. There may not be enough detail to identify if he is 'yours'. On the other hand, its cheaper than a DC!

Yes that is them married a while after the children were born had two more after marriage thank you

From other 'Threads' relating on google search, below were Marriages...

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1861 (>99%)
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HOPKINS Maria Lambeth 1d 455
Malyon John Lambeth 1d 455


MargaretM Report 27 Jan 2016 20:09

He was a bachelor but she was a widow, her father's name Richard Saunder, a tanner. He was a leather shaver and his father a baker.

John Malyon

in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Record Image View

Name: John Malyon
Spouse: Maria Hopkins
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Nov 1861
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John Malyon (occ. Baker)
Spouse Father: Richard Saunders
Register Type: Parish Register


(also)

GlitterBaby Report 28 Feb 2015 13:47

No middle name showing on the record

Name: Maria Saunders - shown as a minor
Spouse: Thomas James Hopkins - fishmonger
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Dec 1846
Parish: St Mary, Newington
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Richard Saunders - occupation of tanner
Spouse Father: Thomas Hopkins
Register Type: Parish Register


1871 (Reference, from FMP)
Maria Malyon Wife - Female 42 1829 - Surrey, England
Thomas Hopkins Son By Former Husband - Male 21 1850 - Surrey, England
Richard Malyon Son - Male 17 1854 - Surrey, England
William Malyon Son - Male 11 1860 - Surrey, England
Benjamin Malyon Son - Male 8 1863 - Surrey, England
Albert Ed Malyon Son - Male 7 1864 - Surrey, England
Eliza Malyon Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Northumberland, England
Laura A Hopkins Daughter-In-Law - Female 21 1850 - Gloucestershire, England
James R Hopkins Son By Former Husband - Male 22 1849 - Surrey, England
Annie L Hopkins Daur By Former Husband - Female 16 1855 - Northumberland, England
Anne M Hopkins Granddaughter - Female 0 1871 - Surrey, England
Street Rolls Road
Parish Bermondsey
City Southwark
County London, Surrey
Registration district St Olave Southwark
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 638
Folio 24
Page 42


Edits (and that 1888 Camberwell Burial you mention, on below, credits needed to view)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch


London, Docklands and East End Baptisms, 1558-1933 Transcription (Find My Past) (should also be Ancestry)

First name(s) Thomas James
Last name Hopkins
Birth year 1826
Baptism year 1826
Baptism date 20 Aug 1826
Address Willow Walk
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's occupation Fishmonger
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Parish St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
Church address Bermondsey Street


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Greater London Burial Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Thomas James
Last name Hopkins
Age at death 22
Birth year 1826
Burial year 1848
Burial date 10 September 1848
Residence St George Southwark
Parish Bermondsey, St Mary Magdalen


1841 (Find My Past)
Thomas Hopkins Male 39 1802 (Fishmonger)
Ann Hopkins Female 36 1805 Surrey, England
Thomas James Hopkins Male 15 1826 Surrey, England
Caroline Hopkins Female 13 1828 Surrey, England
Street West Street
Parish or township Bermondsey
County London, Surrey
Registration district Bermondsey
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1047
Book number 3
Folio number 6
Page number 6

not sure don't think they were R C but I cant see a john malyon born that year my john was born 1851 so it could be him thank you

18/10/1871 Newington Workhouse Saint Saviours Union.
John Malyon religion RC born 1849 a Carman.

Maryb.

no that's his birth that nyx posted at 19.41 bit of a strange family john and Richard born 1851 and 1853 then there is a daughter annie l Hopkins 1856 by maria's former husband Thomas hopkins