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Elizabeth Ann Ambrose birth reg Q4 1865 Penzance RD mmn Pape
Elizabeth Ann Ambrose marries 1887 Father Robert Ambrose

Mary Elizabeth Ambrose baptised Penzance, Father Robert, Mother Mary Ann
Not seeing a GRO entry for a Mary Elizabeth Ambrose apart from one in Bangor (Wales) with mmn Parry

Andrea - where did you get the name May (or Mary?) Ann Pape from?

I have the marriage cert of Nicholas James Davis and Elizabeth Ann Ambrose in 1887 (these are my great grandparents) showing Elizabeth aged 22, daughter of Robert Ambrose, Railway plate layer.
I also have a birth cert for Elizabeth Ann Ambrose but I am not 100% sure it's the right one. Logically it seems to be, as it shows the birthdate as 19 Sept 1865, making her the right age to be married at 22 in 1887, also showing father's name as Robert, Railway Labourer. Mother is listed as Mary Ann Pape. Address is 28Adelaide St, Penzance. But I have unable to find a marriage between Robert Ambrose and Mary Ann Pape and the Listing of Penzance ,Cornwall is confusing me as I seem to remember a nearly identical entry somewhere showing the registration of Elizabeth Ann's birth in Penzance, Devon. Looking at the map of the locality, Penzance is too far from Plymouth, Devon for the boundaries to be fudged. ( I live in Malta so not that familiar with UK localities, but my dad's side of the family are from Plymouth, Devon)

Another thing is that Robert obviously died between 1865 and 1877, probably before 1871 as I can not find him and his daughter Elizabeth listed in the 1871 census. This would give me more proof of her lineage.

Is it possible that Robert and Mary Ann Pape did not actually marry and she just took his name? (How frustrating would that be?!)

My particular interest in this branch of my ancestry is that I am really hoping to obtain a photo of Elizabeth. We have a photo of Nicholas but not of her. The more I can find out about her side of the family, the higher the chance of finding a descendant of hers who might have a photo.

Once again, I thank you all very much for your help. I have checked out the info given but none of it is definite - even on the census entries of people who might have been Elizabeth's siblings, she does not appear listed with them.

What am I missing?

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Chris :)

Baptism
Day Month 23-Jun
Year 1861
Parish Or Reg District Lostwithiel
Forename Robert George
Surname AMBERS
Father Forename Robert
Mother Forename Mary Ann
Residence Plymouth
Father Rank Profession Plate Layer

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

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(although looking at Marriage/Baptisms Find My Past, on all, Robert is a Carpenter, Baptsms, Abode 23 Clarence Street) (Marriage, 17 Ham Street, his Father, Robert Ambrose occ. Carpenter)

Birth
AMBROSE, ROBERT GEORGE (DAVEY)
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 236


Marriages Dec 1856 (>99%)
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Ambrose Robert Plymouth 5b 443
BURT Elizabeth Plymouth 5b 443
Davey Eliza Plymouth 5b 443
FORD John Clarke Plymouth 5b 443
Rich Eliza Tavistock 5b 443


Birth
AMBROSE, FREDERICK CHARLES (DAVEY)
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 225

Birth
AMBROSE, WILLIAM HENRY (DAVEY)
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 331

Birth
AMBROSE, LOUISA EMMA (DAVEY)
GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 224

ooh good find Chris :-)

Thank you Chris. I feel sure that the first entry you found must be Elizabeth Ambrose's brother. The other bit about the marraiges is puzzling though because Mary Ann Pape is not listed, not even with a different surname. How can that be? I am beginning to wonder if there might be a mistake in the records. I have already found a mistake relating to one of Elizabeth's children - her name on his birth cert was listed as Andrews instead of Ambrose. When i sent all my evidence to GRO, they agreed that there was a mistake at the time of registration and although they could not change it, they agreed to enter a notation to this effect. Beginning to wonder if something like that has happened here.

Once again, I would like to thank you all for your time and effort. Not all the dates fit but some could her siblings. I appreciate your help a lot, especially since you have cited references from places I did not know about to check. The greatest obstacle remains finding the marriage of Robert Ambrose and Mary Ann Pape and a link between them and Elizabeth Ambrose in any of the censuses. I am sure that there must be a name listed incorrectly somewhere. Thank you very, very much all.