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Just to tie off this thread. Thank you all for your help.
For any future readers, regarding my person of interest "Samuel Lake", we have concluded:
Samuel Lake, eldest son of John Lake and Eliza Johnson of Macclesfield, Cheshire, England. Born 14 September 1834 (3 months after his parents marriage on 24 June 1834). He was baptised 26 June 1837. As far as I can conclude, he died in 1850 at the age of 16, although I am not certain if anyone can correct or confirm.
His younger sister Hannah and younger brother James both emigrated to Australia.

Thanks again.

Thanks Maddie

Samuel Johnson
England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
christening:
6 October 1824
St Michael, Macclesfield, Chester, England
residence:
6 October 1824
St. Michael, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
father:
John Johnson
mother
Hannah

Eliza Johnson

England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
christening:
4 January 1815
St Michael, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
residence:
4 January 1815
St. Michael, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
father:
John Johnson
mother:
Hannah


Thos. Upton Johnson

England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
christening:
9 October 1822
St Michael, Macclesfield, Chester, England
residence:
9 October 1822
St. Michael, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
father:
John Johnson
mother:
Hannah

Mary Cartwright Johnson
Event Type Christening
Event Date 23 Jun 1820
Event Place St Michael, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Gender Female
Father's Name John Johnson
Mother's Name Hannah Johnson
Citing this Record

"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," database, FamilySearch


John Johnson

e John Johnson
Event Type Intended Marriage
Event Date 06 Nov 1811
Event Place , , Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Spouse's Name Hannah Upton
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Citing this Record

"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," database, FamilySearch

scripts
Name John Johnson
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 06 Nov 1811
Event Place Prestbury, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Spouse's Name Hannah Upton
Citing this Record

"England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900," database, FamilySearch

Thanks I think that all fits. Also the 1841 Census which I believe is the same family, has two men with surname Johnson in the same household (possibly uncles?)

Eliza Leak Female 25 1816 Cheshire, England
Transcription
Samuel Leak Male 6 1835 Cheshire, England
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Hannah Leak Female 3 1838 Cheshire, England
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Thomas Johnson Male 20 1821 Cheshire, England
Transcription
Samuel Johnson Male 15 1826 Cheshire, England

I don't know where I got Elizabeth Pook from (certainly a lot of family trees on ancestry.com list Elizabeth Pook as Hannah Lake's Mum) but I now believe she was Eliza Johnson who married John Lake from Macclesfield.

Thanks again.

That family on 1851 shows that Elizabeth was 'Johnson' - details posted by Maryb on 1st page:


LAKE, HANNAH JOHNSON Order
GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in MACCLESFIELD UNION Volume 19 Page 7

LAKE, JAMES JOHNSON Order
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in MACCLESFIELD UNION Volume 19 Page 127

LAKE, STEPHEN JOHNSON Order
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in MACCLESFIELD UNION Volume 19 Page 120

LAKE, ELIZABETH JOHNSON Order
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in MACCLESFIELD UNION Volume 19 Page 185

Can't just see John at the moment but the others are all there!

So sign of a Samuel as he was born before registration (and also before their marriage) - IF this is the correct family ??

Dea x

I have looked at a copy of Hannah Lake's original death certificate. Definitely says birth in 1837, Macclesfield, Cheshire. Father John Lake Mother Eliza (last name illegible ??? Matheson)

The 1851 Census suggests the kids were born in Macclesfield.

Name Hannah Lake
Age 14
Estimated Birth Year abt 1837
Relation Daughter
Father's Name John Lake
Mother's Name Eliza Lake
Gender Female
Where born Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Civil parish Macclesfield
Ecclesiastical parish Macclesfield
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps 1016
Town Macclesfield
County/Island Cheshire
Country England
Registration district Macclesfield
Sub-registration district West Macclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel 5o
Household schedule number 127
Piece 2160
Folio 345
Page number 34
Household Members
Name Age
John Lake 38
Eliza Lake 35
Hannah Lake 14
John Lake 9
Elizabeth Lake 7
Stephen Lake 5
James Lake 2

I'll have to regroup - perhaps the mother of Samuel, Hannah, John, Elizabeth, James and Eliza was not Elizabeth Pook ?? Elizabeth Johnson.

Keep you posted.
Thanks

That's really interesting Dea, I have noticed heaps of the names keep coming up in Devon but I had discounted them because I thought I knew Hannah Lake (the second child, first daughter) was born in Macclesfield and that's where she met her husband Isaac Hudson Burgess. I'll have to check my records - maybe I've been making assumptions because that's where she got married and actually I should be looking at the Devon records.
Many thanks - I'll keep you posted.

I agree with above that I think James Lake one of the younger sons, married Eliza Emmerson, in Victoria, Australia.

That makes more sense Mary as the John Lake marriage to Elizabet Pook took place in Devon and all their children were subsequently born in that area:


Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
View Image
View Record
Name John Lake
Spouse Elzth Pook
Marriage Date 1831
Parish Halberton
Household Members
Name Age
John Lake
Elzth Pook

Dea x

John lake married Elizabeth Johnson 14/6/1834

1851 census they have Stephen 1846
Birth record shows his mum as Johnson V19 P120 he died 1920 England
Also there was James 1850/1 he married Eliza Emmerson in Victoria Australia in 1871 he died 1919 she died 1948.

Some of the above info off Ancestry.co.uk

Maryb.

Thanks, yes I think you are right. I think I'll order that one and see how I go. Thanks again.
Late at night here now. Off to bed but will check thread in the morning.

the death certificate may give you further information

Name: Age at Death (in years):
LEAK, SAMUEL 15 Order
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in MACCLESFIELD UNION Volume 19 Page 87

maddie

If he died in 1850, that would explain why he seems to disappear off the census records.

Maybe. It's really hard to know for sure isn't it. I am a descendant of Hannah Lake (daughter of John Lake and Elizabeth Pook) and the family legend has that she and her husband followed one of her siblings to Australia.
I can find her younger brother James Lake in Australia so maybe it is him and Samuel died young???
Hannah Lake & her husband Isaac Burgess named their first born son Samuel, who was born in 1861. I think Hannah and Isaac left for Australia in 1862.
Thanks again for thinking on it Maddie

clutching at straws

Samuel Leak
Event Type Burial
Event Date 24 Jul 1850
Event Place Christ Church, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Age (Formatted) 16y
Citing this Record

"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," database, FamilySearch

Oops, maybe we are not on the right track. This record says the Samuel Lake who died in Macclesfield in 1862 was 71 years old which doesn't add up.

Name: Samuel Lake
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 23 Jan 1862
Event Place: Christ Church, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Gender: Male
Age (Formatted): 71y
Birth Date:
Marital Status:
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Name:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
GS Film number: 2186845
Digital Folder Number: 004019271
Image Number: 00827

Citing this Record:
"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3GL-136 : 21 July 2017), Samuel Lake, 23 Jan 1862, Burial; citing item 5 p 228, Christ Church, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England, Record Office, Chester; FHL microfilm 2,186,845.

can't find any births on gro parents lake / connor

Seems like a definite possibility. Might have to order some certificates to find out. Can anyone see him in an 1851 or 1861 census? I wonder if he had any kids?

a possible
Name: Samuel Lake
Registration Year: 1862
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Macclesfield
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 94

maybe
MARY
Last name LAKE
Marriage year 1868
Marriage date 18 Jan 1868
Spouse's first name Charles
Spouse's last name Hofton
Bride's marital status Widowed
County Cheshire
Country England
Record set Cheshire Marriage licence bonds and allegations 1606-1905
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

I've found a Samuel Lake who died in Macclesfield in 1862.
Samuel Lake
Registration Year: 1862
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Macclesfield
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 94
Maybe he didn't make it to Australia after all??
Does anyone know how I might confirm this is him?

I wonder if anyone can see him on the 1851 or 1861 census?