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STEPHEN JAMES WILSON BORN 1883 DIED 1943 EDMONTON. MARRIED GRACE KELLY 1909 EDMONTON. SHE WAS BORN IN 1888 LAMBETH.
1901 CENSUS HE IS A SEAMAN
1901 HIS PARENTS ARE LIVING IN MALVERN ROAD TOTTENHAM
1911 HIS PARENTS ARE LIVING AT 11 GOODWIN ROAD LOWER EDMONTON
1911 I CANNOT FIND STEPHEN CAN ANYONE HELP

1891 GRACE IS AT CURNICK LANE ST MARY'S NORWOOD SURREY
1901 GRACE IS MISSING CAN ANYONE HELP
1909 THEY MARRY IN EDMONTON
1911 GRACE IS AT 6 ROSE COTTAGE, CURNICK LANE, WEST NORWOOD SURREY. BUT SHE IS LISTED AS SINGLE????????????????????

THEIR CHILDREN - ALL BORN AND MARRIED IN EDMONTON.
BEATRICE C WILSON BORN 1918 MARRIED 1941 TO THOMAS H WINGELL
DENIS ROBERT WILSON BORN 23/3/1921 MARRIED GRACE NELLIE BAKER 1941. (MY LATE IN-LAWS)
IVY MAY WILSON BORN 1924 MARRIED 1941 KENNETH GORDON M MUNRO 1941.
I WOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR ANY HELP.
THANK YOU ALL FOR READING THIS.
LESLEY WILSON

This is the marriage of Stephen + Grace, for reference:

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
KELLY Grace Edmonton 3a 772
WILSON Stephen James Edmonton 3a 772

Dea x

Is this also one of the children

Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
WILSON Dorothy E KELLY Edmonton 3a 1127

THATS CORRECT. BUT IT'S THE CENSUS THAT ARE THROWING ME. THANK YOU

I just wondered as there is a big gap between marriage and first child whether Stephen was at sea in the early years of marriage and in 1911.

TO NYX.
DOROTHY E KELLY WILSON WAS NOT STEPHEN AND GRACE'S CHILDREN THEY ONLY HAD BEATRICE, DENIS AND IVY..AS FAR AS I'M AWARE. THANK YOU

TO NYX
BUT IF STEPHEN WAS AT SEA, WOULDNT HE POP UP ON A CENSUS.. PLUS WHY WAS GRACE BACK WITH HER PARENTS AND PUT DOWN AS SINGLE. VERY CONFUSING.
I THOUGHT THE GAP WAS LARGE FROM 1909 TO 1918 BUT PUT IT DOWN TO MISCARRIAGES AND THE WAR..... DIDNT THINK OF OTHER CHILDREN AS THATS ALL I KNEW ABOUT WHEN THE WILSON FAMILY SPOKE ABOUT THEM.. CHEERS HUN.

British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924 Transcription
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First name(s) Stephen James
Last name Wilson
Service number 205110
Birth year 1882
Birth date 11 Nov 1882
Birth place Saint Marys
Birth county London
Birth country England
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference ADM 188/357/205110
Record set British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

Just putting this one on the offchance, however it does look as though he was possibly discharged Feb 1910 due to "a disease of the ears"

Stephen J Wilson on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Wilson Household (5 People) 42 Sweet Briar Grove , Edmonton M.B., Middlesex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Stephen J Wilson 11 Nov 1882 Male Painter Married 191 1
Grace Wilson 05 Aug 1887 Female Unpaid Dom Duties Married 191 2
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Ivy M Munro 15 Jul 1924 Female Laundry Hand Single 191 4
Grace L Long 01 Mar 1910 Female Invalid Married 191 5

Stephen would not necessarily appear on a census if he was at sea, only if he was in dock in UK at the time? and Grace might have been listed as single in error.

Sadly this is the death of the child WILSON, DOROTHY ELSIE 19 ( months) Order
GRO Reference: 1917 M Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 907

You could buy the birth cert to check whether she was the daughter of Stephen and Grace

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Stephen
Last name Wilson
Relationship -
Marital status Married
Sex Male
Occupation -
Age 31
Birth year 1880
Birth place Shadwell London
Address Campbellpore India
Parish -
County Overseas Military
Country Ships And Overseas Establishments
Archive reference RG14
Registration district number 641
Enumeration district 21
District number 21
Sub district number 6
Census reference RG14PN34981 RD641 SD6 ED21 SN9999
RG78 code number 0
Piece number 34981
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Record set 1911 Census For England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

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These are the army records, which give the detail that this is the same Stephen discharged from the Navy as I mentioned Feb 1910.

British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription

First name(s) Stephen James
Last name Wilson
Age 31
Birth year 1883
Birth town London
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Service number 1459 <<< changed to 2993
Regiment Royal West Kent Regiment
Year 1914
Residence county Middlesex
Residence country England
Series WO 364
Series description Wo 364 - First World War Pension Claims
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War


Images give wife Grace, child Grace Louisa, 40 Cedars Road Edmonton

it was recorded that he was "unlikely to become an efficient soldier" and on another entry that he was discharged as "no longer fit for service "

he was " 5 ft 4 and 3/4 inches tall, 127 lbs, fresh complexion, Blue eyes, brown hair."

On his discharge he gave intended place of residence as 2 Cedars Road, Edmonton

That's rather odd though as the only Grace Louisa named on military records was given as age 5 ( in 1914) I can see is this one but not born to Wilson/ Kelly ???

WILSON, GRACE LOUISA ROSINA mm THOMPSON Order
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 637

safc. the 1939 census is correct, but not the 1911 where that stephen born 1880 mine is 1882.. thank you i have more information in 15 mins than serching for the past 2 years. wish I could find my great grandfather details so quick. hes DAVID JONES BORN TREDGAR WALES BORN 1872/3 MARRIED CATHERINE ANN WATKINS ON THE 6TH MARCH 1892... THE CATCH IS HIS FATHER WAS DAVID JONES......HER FATHER JOHN WATKINS IVE STORED THAT LINE BUT JONES........ THANKS...

NYX. WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AS ABOVE HOW QUICK YOU HAVE SORTED IT. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENCE. BUT GRACE LOUISA MUST HAVE DIED, COS THE FAMILY NEVER MENTIONED HER. ....

THANKS YOU BOTH SO MUCH

The Grace Louisa Rosina Wilson born born 1910 I am not sure about, i can't find her with parents but think this is her marriage in 1936

Marriages Dec 1936 (>99%)

Warren Sydney Wilson Edmonton 3a 1671
Wilson Grace L R Warren Edmonton 3a 1671

is this David in 1881



David Jones
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name David Jones
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales
Registration District Bedwelty
Residence Note Back Union Street
Gender Male
Age 9
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1872
Birthplace Tredegar, Monmouthshire, England
Page Number 52
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 5242/145
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace
David Jones Head M 34 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, England
Rebbeca Jones Wife F 33 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, England
Margret Jones Daughter F 12 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, England
David Jones Son M 9 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, England
Alice Jones Daughter F 7 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, England
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"England and Wales Census, 1881," database with images, FamilySearch

and 1911
Name: David Jones
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Tredegar
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County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 19
Estimated Marriage Year: 1892
Occupation: Haulier (below ground)
Registration district: Bedwellty
Registration District Number: 585
Sub-registration district: Tredegar
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Household schedule number: 319
Piece: 31853
Household Members:
Name Age
David Jones 38
Rebecca Jones 3 --- naamed after grandmother ??
Peter Ambey 37
Catherine Ann Jones 35
Glowdys Jones 17
Florence Jones 15
Thomas Henry Jones 11
David Jones 9
Reginald Jones 8
William Watkins Jones 6

JONES, DAVID REES Order
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 110

DAVID
Last name JONES
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1868
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ DAVID JONES married one of these people
Rebecca Rees, Ann Williams
District Bedwellty
District number -
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 118

1936 electoral register:

42 Sweet Briar Road

Stephen James Wilson
Grace Wilson
Grace Louisa Rosina Wilson
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On 1939 register she's listed with surname Long. She is also on the electoral register in 1938 & 1939 with a Sidney Arthur Long.

her death?

First name(s) GRACE L R
Last name LONG
Gender Female
Birth year 1910
Age 30
Death quarter 3
Death year 1940
District Edmonton
County Middlesex
Volume 3A Page 1180

Maybe you have the wrong Grace Kelly

You have
1911 6 Rose Cottage Curnick lane Chapel Road Norwood
dad Alfred a Decorator sister Edith born @ 1896

17/1/1916 West Dulwich
Edward White 31 married Grace Kelly 27 of 6,Rose Cottage Chapel Rd Norwood dad Alfred Kelly House Decorator witness by Alfred and Edith Kelly.

Maryb.

Lesley does have the wrong Grace- nice work Mary:

Marriage:
Name: Grace Kelly
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Age: 21
Spouse: Stephen James Wilson
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 May 1909
Parish: St Peter, Lower Edmonton
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: James Kelly
Spouse Father: Stephen James Wilson

Possible then ? Note there is a sister Rosina, which may account for the later Grace having middle name Rosina?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23, Clarence Road, Walthamstow, West Ham, London, England


James Kelly Head Married Male 41 1860 Board School Caretaker Middlesex, England
Sarah Kelly Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Chiswick, Middlesex, England
James H Kelly Son Single Male 17 1884 Frame Maker Clapton, Middlesex, England
Grace Kelly Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Walworth, Surrey, England <<<<<<
Florence M Kelly Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Walworth, Surrey, England
Herbert Kelly Son - Male 9 1892 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Ada E Kelly Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Leyton, Essex, England
Elsie Kelly Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Leyton, Essex, England
Lilian Kelly Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Leyton, Essex, England
Rosina B Kelly Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Walthamstow, Essex, England