Find Ancestors

EDIT, goodness me what was I thinking! I was so involved in C & P so it made a little bit of sense, that I forgot the most important word.... Please!

This is Edward Fishlock on the 1901 census

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Hope Street, Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England

Edward Fishlock Head Married Male 34 1867 General Dealer Walworth, Surrey, England
Alice Fishlock Wife Married Female 33 1868 - Westminster, Middlesex, England
William Fishlock Son Single Male 13 1888 - Southwark, Surrey, England
James Fishlock Son Single Male 11 1890 - Walworth, Surrey, England
Alice Fishlock Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Walworth, Surrey, England
Edward Fishlock Son - Male 3 1898 - Walworth, Surrey, England
Henry Fishlock Son - Male 1 1900 - Walworth, Surrey, England



The oldest son William Joseph is the son of Edward's first wife Emma Siddons who died 1890.


Fairly certain this is Edward as a widower in 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Camden Street, Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England


Edward Fishlock Head Widower Male 25 1866 Toy Maker Surrey, England

His son William Joseph is not with him ( FISHLOCK, WILLIAM JOSEPH mmn SIDDONS
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 28)

I know where William is 1901 as above, and also 1911 when he is a boarder 1 Bronti Place Walworth, St Mary Newington, London & Surrey, England ( a few doors away from family )

But where is he on the 1891 census when he would be about 3 ?



Also, and well done if you have waded this far lol,

on the 1911 Edward and Alice ( nee Marcham, Edward F's 2nd wife) say they have been married 24 years but I can't spot the marriage on FMP...maybe on Anc'?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
6 Bronti Place Walworth, St Mary Newington, London & Surrey, England

Edward Fishlock Head Married Male General Dealer 44 1867 London Walworth
Alice Fishlock Wife Married Female - 43 1868 London Westminster Transcription
James Fishlock Son Single Male Genral Dealer 20 1891 London Walworth
Alice Fishlock Daughter Single Female - 16 1895 London Walworth
Edward Fishlock Son - Male - 13 1898 London Walworth
Henry Fishlock Son - Male - 11 1900 London Walworth
Albert Fishlock Son - Male - 9 1902 London Walworth
Elizabeth Fishlock Daughter - Female - 7 1904 London Walworth
George Fishlock Son - Male - 6 1905 London Walworth
John Fishlock Son - Male - 4 1907 London Walworth
Leonard Fishlock Son - Male - 2 1909 London Walworth

PS I don't need anything on Edward's parents etc I have all that :-)

Just, where is William 1891
and did Edward marry Alice Marcham ? :-)

Maybe Alice wasn't free to marry?

ALICE
Last name MARCHAM
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1885
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ALICE MARCHAM married one of these people
William Freeman, George Turton
District St. George Hanover Square
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Page 701
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, England
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
North Street, Charlton Next Woolwich, Woolwich, London & Kent, England

William Marchant Head Single Male 27 1864 Harness Maker London, Middlesex, England
Alice Turton Sister Married Female 22 1869 Charwoman Westminster, Middlesex, England
William Turton Nephew - Male 0 1891 - London, Middlesex, England


Nephew William's birth is registered as William James Turton, so he must be the James Fishlock b. 1891 on the census you have posted.

Thankyou Rootgatherer that looks a good possibilty, I will see if I can find them together in 1891 >>>

edit beat me to it :-)

Nope that is TURTON, WILLIAM JAMES MARCHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in ST SAVIOUR LONDON Volume 01D Page 107

but that isn't the William Joseph Fishlock born 1888

FISHLOCK, WILLIAM JOSEPH mmn SIDDONS
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 28)

Yes, I think that William James Turton is the James Fishlock listed on the 1911 census with Edward, Alice and their children.


EDIT

He was probably known as James as Edward already had William Joseph?


Is this Alice's death please?


First name(s) ALICE
Last name FISHLOCK
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1868
Age 50
Death quarter 4
Death year 1918
District Southwark
County London
Volume 1D
Page 198
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
© Findmypast



I think her husband George Turton outlived her so she was never free to marry Edward. There is a possible for George with another "wife" in Battersea on the 1901 and 1911 census and he's still in Battersea in 1939 as a widower.

Perhaps the Marcham / Turton marriage certificate is needed to check the ages and father's names and occupations. It would also confirm if the Battersea George was Alice's husband.

ah yes thanks rootgatherer , I hadn't thought of that James being William J Turton but that makes sense :-) I'd looked at the younger children for mmn but not gone back to james,

Thankyou :-)

I really wish they could have come up with some different names, there are just too many Williams! :-|

No problem Nyx. :-)

Have you checked all the 1891 census for Edward and Emma's parents and siblings oust in case William Joseph is lurking there under a different surname?

Edward's parents were both deceased and I think I have covered all his siblings while looking for his brother ( adopted by his step aunt lol) but I will have a look for Emma's family after tea :-) .

age could be 3 on original


1891 England Census


>>>>>>>Name:William Fishlock

Gender:Male

Age:8

Relationship:Nephew

Birth Year:1883

Birth Place:Southwark, London, England

Civil Parish:St George the Martyr

Ecclesiastical parish:St George the Martyr

Residence Place:St George the Martyr, London, England

Registration district:St Saviour Southwark

Sub registration district:Kent Road

ED, Institution or Vessel:3

Piece:344
Folio:63


Joh Carter 31
Elizabeth Carton 25
Phoebe Grove 14
>>>>>>>>>William Fishlock 8

Marriages Jun 1885   (>99%)
Fishlock
 Edward
 
 St Saviour
 1d
236
  
Siddons
 Emma
 
 St. Saviour
 1d
236

England and Wales Census, 1871
Name
Emma Siddons
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1871
Event Place
St George The Martyr, London, Surrey, England
Enumeration District
9
Gender
Female
Age
7
Marital Status
Single
Relationship to Head of Household
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)
1864
Birthplace
Southwark, Surrey
Entry Number
13
Affiliate Image Identifier
GBC/1871/0600/0028
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
William Siddons
Head
M
30
Lambeth, Surrey
Emma Siddons
Wife
F
28
Southwark, Surrey
Emma Siddons
Daughter
F
7
Southwark, Surrey
Georgena Siddons
Daughter
F
3
Southwark, Surrey

just out of interest ...... from GRO Index

TURTON, WILLIAM JAMES mmn MARCHAM
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in ST SAVIOUR LONDON Volume 01D Page 107

Alice would only have been about 16, but this is the only one I can find ...........

Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%)

MARCHAM Alice St Geo. H. Sq 1a 701
MAREHAM Alice St Geo. H. Sq 1a 701
TURTON George St Geo. H. Sq. 1a 701


Sorry, just realised this has already been posted

Emma Siddons 1864 V01d P137 mum nee Musgrave

Georgina 1868 V01d P 139 mum nee Musgrave.

Maryb.

IF that marriage is correct, this could be another child of the marriage ........



Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TURTON, MARY MARCHAM
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 571

??her death ... age could be 5 months or 5 years

TURTON, MARY 5 r
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 377

:-S

now there could be a link there because William's uncle ( also William !) married a Grove