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actually, not being baptised did happen, or happened much later .......

...... the church might have been without a vicar for some reason

...... the family might have lived a long way away from a church and had to wait until an itinerant priest came on his rounds

..... the parents might have wanted to have their children baptised in a certain church and waited until they could travel there.


It is not all that unusual to find 2 or more children baptised at the same time, even back then.

true. Though i did think that somewhere they had some evidence to name john as a father of richard. Perhaps from a memoir?
I have thought that perhapshe just didnt get baptised or maybe there is a record missing. but i know it was rare in those days not to have a baptism :-S

This might also be a possibility;

Richard Hargreaves
England Births and Christenings
Name Richard Hargreaves
Gender Male
Christening Date 04 Sep 1785
Christening Date (Original) 04 SEP 1785
Christening Place WHALLEY,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name Richard Hargreaves

well, no sign of richard hoyle baptism but i think somehow there must be some connection as giles is not that common a name and i think that to have your first child named giles hoyle hargreaves must be for a reason ....possibly . ?
:-)

on another note i did think that perhaps there was a hoyle connection as richard and bridgets first child was giles hoyle hargreaves and i did find a wedding at st leonards in padiham for john hargreaves and bridget hoyle with a witness to that wedding being giles hoyle also, which makes me wonder if richards parents could have been john hargreaves and bridget hoyle and they perhaps had him out of wedlock and didnt get him baptised. I am now going to look to see if i can find a baptism of a richard hoyle for the time period. :-S

So we know that richard would not have died before 1822 so the probable date of death is 1824. But have we any evidence for his birth as being 1789 . If we had date of birth proof it would mention his father . I have seen richard listed on ancestry as being born in bury or padiham but not really any father named. ? :-S

This record gives Ann's DOB:


Ann Hargreaves
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Ann Hargreaves
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 10 Apr 1822
Baptism Date: 25 Apr 1822
Baptism Place: Wesleyan Methodist,Padiham,Lancashire,England
Death Date: 7 Jun 1822
Father: Richard Hargreaves
Mother: Bridget
FHL Film Number: 0560892 (RG4 1146), 0560892 (RG4 2827)

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Richard Hargraves
mentioned in the record of Henry Hargraves
Name
Richard Hargraves
Sex
Male
Wife
Bridget Whitaker
Child
Henry Hargraves
Other information in the record of Henry Hargraves
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Name
Henry Hargraves
Birth Year (Estimated)
1811
Age
29
Native Residence Place
Padiham, Lancashire, England
Father's Name
Richard Hargraves
Mother's Name
Bridget Whitaker
Spouse's Name
Susanah Hargraves
Spouse's Residence Place
, Kent, England
Spouse's Father's Name
Thomas Blumly
Spouse's Mother's Name
Sarah Taffender
Ship Name
Champion
Event Date
1840
Volume
27

Richard HARGREAVES
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Sex
Male

Birth
8 March 1789
Padiham, Lancashire, England


Death

16 October 1814
Padiham, Lancashire, England



MARRIAGES (1)
Spouse
Bridget WHITAKER

Marriage
23 October 1809
Padiham, Lancashire, England

deaths of children?????

Form the date of the death of Isaac, it looks as though Richard and Bridget left St Leonards in the 10 months between Isaac's baptism and his burial.


England & Wales Non-conformist burials

First name(s) Ann
Last name Hargreaves
Age 5M
Birth year 1822
Death year 1822
Death date 07 Jun 1822
Burial year 1822
Burial date 09 Jun 1822
Place Padiham
Burial place as transcribed Whalley
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
Father's first name Richd
Mother's first name Bridget
County Lancashire
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/1146
Description LANCASHIRE: Padiham, Parish of Whalley (Wesleyan): Burials
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Burials
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from United Kingdom, England

I can't make out the cause of death shown on the image


First name(s) Ellen
Last name Hargreaves
Age 10M
Birth year 1819
Death year 1820
Death date 16 Sep 1820
Burial year 1820
Burial date 17 Sep 1820
Place Padiham
Burial place as transcribed Whalley
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
Father's first name Richd
Mother's first name Bridget
County Lancashire
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/1146
Description LANCASHIRE: Padiham, Parish of Whalley (Wesleyan): Burials
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Burials
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from United Kingdom, England

from image:-
Father occupation:- Joiner
no cause of death shown


First name(s) Isaac
Last name Hargreaves
Age 10M
Birth year 1816
Death year 1817
Death date 14 May 1817
Burial year 1817
Burial date 16 May 1817
Place Padiham
Burial place as transcribed Whalley
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
Father's first name Ricd
Mother's first name Bridget
County Lancashire
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/1146
Description LANCASHIRE: Padiham, Parish of Whalley (Wesleyan): Burials
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Burials
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from United Kingdom, England

no more information on image

Then they seemed to have moved to the Wesleyan Methodists ...............

Do you have these??

from FMP


England & Wales Non-conformist births and baptisms

First name(s) Ellen
Last name Hargraves
Birth year 1819
Birth date 01 Nov 1819
Baptism year 1819
Baptism date 21 ? 1819
Place Padiham
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
Father's first name(s) Richard
Mother's first name(s) Bridget
County Lancashire
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/2827
Description LANCASHIRE: Padiham, Parish of Whalley (Wesleyan): Births & Baptisms
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom, England

from image:-
Father occupation:- Joiner

Month of baptism is unclear, it could be November


First name(s) Ann
Last name Hargreaves
Gender Female
Birth year 1822
Birth place -
Baptism year 1822
Baptism date 25 Apr 1822
Death date 07 Jun 1822
Place Padiham
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Hargreaves
Mother's first name(s) Bridget
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, United Kingdom

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First name(s) Bridget
Last name Hargreaves
Birth year 1818
Birth date 03 Jan 1818
Baptism year 1818
Baptism date 25 Jan 1818
Place Padiham
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
Father's first name(s) Richard
Mother's first name(s) Bridget
County Lancashire
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/2827
Description LANCASHIRE: Padiham, Parish of Whalley (Wesleyan): Births & Baptisms
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom, England

from image:-
Father occupation:- Joiner


First name(s) Enoch
Last name Hargreaves
Birth year 1823
Birth date 13 Nov 1823
Baptism year 1823
Baptism date 07 Dec 1823
Place Padiham
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
Father's first name(s) Richard
Mother's first name(s) Bridget
County Lancashire
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/2827
Description LANCASHIRE: Padiham, Parish of Whalley (Wesleyan): Births & Baptisms
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom, England

from image:-
Father Occupation:- Joiner


First name(s) Mary
Last name Hargreaves
Birth year 1820
Birth date 19 Dec 1820
Baptism year 1821
Baptism date 14 Jan 1821
Place Padiham
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
Father's first name(s) Richard
Mother's first name(s) Bridget
County Lancashire
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/2827
Description LANCASHIRE: Padiham, Parish of Whalley (Wesleyan): Births & Baptisms
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom, England

from image:-
Father occupation:- Joiner


Richard baptised 29 Aug 1813, died in 1815, according to this transript .....

First name(s) Richard
Last name Hargreaves
Gender Male
Birth year 1813
Birth place -
Baptism year 1813
Baptism date 29 Aug 1813
Death date 11 Jun 1815
Place Padiham
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Hargreaves
Mother's first name(s) Bridget
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, United Kingdom

from lancs opc .......
Burial: 11 Jun 1815 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England
Richard Hargreaves - Son of Richd. Hargreaves
Age: 1y 10m
Abode: Padiham
Occupation: Joiner
Cause of Death: Consumption
Buried by: ? Dunderdale Minr. Offg.
Register: Burials 1813 - 1816, Page 22, Entry 175
Source: Original Parish Register

Below was about also...

Chris :)

Lancashire wills & probate 1457-1858 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Richard
Last name Hargreaves
Year 1824
Date 21 May 1824
Occupation Grocer
Place Padiham, Whalley
Archdeaconry Chester
County Cheshire, Lancashire
Archive Lancashire Archives
Archive reference 795A/49

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How many children did they have?

There are 6 shown on lancs opc ................. and father Richard's occupation is Joiner, which fits with the May 1824 death


Baptism: 29 Jul 1810 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England
Giles Hoyle Hargreaves - Son of Richard Hargreaves & Bridget
Born: 26 Apr
Abode: Padiham
Occupation: Joiner
Register: Baptisms 1803 - 1812, Entry 95
Source: Original Parish Register

Baptism: 12 May 1811 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England
Henry Hargreaves - Son of Richard Hargreaves & Bridget
Born: 24 Apr 1811
Abode: Padiham
Occupation: Joiner
Register: Baptisms 1803 - 1812, Entry 53
Source: Original Parish Register

Baptism: 3 May 1812 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England
James Hargreaves - Son of Richard Hargreaves & Bridget
Born: 19 Apr 1812
Abode: Padiham
Occupation: Joiner
Register: Baptisms 1803 - 1812, Entry 56
Source: Original Parish Register

Baptism: 29 Aug 1813 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England
Richard Hargreaves - Son of Richard Hargreaves & Bridget
Born: 9 Aug 1813
Abode: Padiham
Occupation: Joiner
Baptised by: J Adamson
Register: Baptims 1813 - 1827, Page 13, Entry 100
Source: Original Parish Register

Baptism: 18 Dec 1814 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England
Jane Hargreaves - Daughter of Richard Hargreaves & Bridget
Born: 27 Nov 1814
Abode: Padiham
Occupation: Joiner
Baptised by: J Adamson
Register: Baptims 1813 - 1827, Page 41, Entry 322
Source: Original Parish Register

Baptism: 7 Jul 1816 St Leonard, Padiham, Lancashire, England
Isaac Hargreaves - Son of Richard Hargreaves & Bridget
Born: 2 Jul 1816
Abode: Padiham
Occupation: Joiner
Baptised by: J Adamson
Register: Baptims 1813 - 1827, Page 74, Entry 590
Source: Original Parish Register

This is the transcript for Bridget from FMP ....... with Richd accurately shown as "Spouse"


England & Wales Non-conformist burials

First name(s) Bridget
Last name Hargreaves
Age 41
Birth year 1793
Death year 1834
Death date 15 Sep 1834
Burial year 1834
Burial date 18 Sep 1834
Place Padiham
Burial place as transcribed Whalley
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
Spouse's first name Richd
County Lancashire
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/1146
Description LANCASHIRE: Padiham, Parish of Whalley (Wesleyan): Burials
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Burials
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from United Kingdom, England

from image:-
Residence:- Burnley

Is this the May death for Richard that you found??

The birth year of 1790 could be +/- 1 year


England & Wales Non-conformist burials

First name(s) Richard
Last name Hargreaves
Age 34
Birth year 1790
Death year 1824
Death date 06 May 1824
Burial year 1824
Burial date 09 May 1824
Place Padiham
Burial place as transcribed Whalley
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
County Lancashire
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/1146
Description LANCASHIRE: Padiham, Parish of Whalley (Wesleyan): Burials
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Burials
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from United Kingdom, England

from image:-
Residence:- Padiham
Occupation:- Joiner
Died:- May 6 1824
Interred:- May 9 1824
Age:- 34 years
Cause of Death:- Consumption

No entry in column headed Wife or Child

Looks as if you're right about Hall Hill:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Padiham/Wesley

Wesley Wesleyan Methodist, Padiham

Wesley,
Hall Hill,
Padiham
Lancashire

Cemeteries
The church has/had a graveyard.
Church History
It was founded in 1779 and closed in 1847.

1748 Methodism started in Padiham and was know as the Darney Society.
1750 Meetings in a cottage in West Street.
1758 First licensed house in West Street (also called Old Chapel Street). Burial Ground opened off Chapel Walk, Padiham near Spring Gardens Terrace.
1779 Larger chapel built at Hall Hill.
1847 Wesley chapel opened on Church Street .. used for next 68 years.
1847 Building at Hall Hill sold.

This will be the 1834 death, I expect.

The transcription says Richard's her father, but the image says she's "widow of Richard Hargreaves".

Bridget Hargreaves
in the England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
Name: Bridget Hargreaves
Birth Date: abt 1793
Gender: Female
Event Type: Burial
Father: Richd Hargreaves
Death Date: 15 Sep 1834
Death Age: 41
Burial Date: 1834
Burial Place: Padiham, Lancaster, England
Denomination: Wesleyan
Piece Title: Piece 1146: Padiham, Parish of Whalley (Wesleyan), 1785-1815.

Cause of death: Consumption.

possibly hall hill street padiham . i shall check at burnley library and if no joy, perhaps the record office in preston. :-S

i do think that the 1834 date is more likely as they were non conformist and i did find a burial on family search for 1834 in a non conformist church in padiham . Not sure what church but would have been a methodist one. :-S

and on a sight that is not ancestry i have also found repeated that bridget died in 1823 . ? :-S