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Ann Hargreaves
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Ann Hargreaves
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 10 Apr 1822
Baptism Date: 25 Apr 1822
Baptism Place: Wesleyan Methodist,Padiham,Lancashire,England
Death Date: 7 Jun 1822
Father: Richard Hargreaves
Mother: Bridget
FHL Film Number: 0560892 (RG4 1146), 0560892 (RG4 2827)

So we know that richard would not have died before 1822 so the probable date of death is 1824. But have we any evidence for his birth as being 1789 . If we had date of birth proof it would mention his father . I have seen richard listed on ancestry as being born in bury or padiham but not really any father named. ? :-S

on another note i did think that perhaps there was a hoyle connection as richard and bridgets first child was giles hoyle hargreaves and i did find a wedding at st leonards in padiham for john hargreaves and bridget hoyle with a witness to that wedding being giles hoyle also, which makes me wonder if richards parents could have been john hargreaves and bridget hoyle and they perhaps had him out of wedlock and didnt get him baptised. I am now going to look to see if i can find a baptism of a richard hoyle for the time period. :-S

well, no sign of richard hoyle baptism but i think somehow there must be some connection as giles is not that common a name and i think that to have your first child named giles hoyle hargreaves must be for a reason ....possibly . ?
:-)

This might also be a possibility;

Richard Hargreaves
England Births and Christenings
Name Richard Hargreaves
Gender Male
Christening Date 04 Sep 1785
Christening Date (Original) 04 SEP 1785
Christening Place WHALLEY,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name Richard Hargreaves

true. Though i did think that somewhere they had some evidence to name john as a father of richard. Perhaps from a memoir?
I have thought that perhapshe just didnt get baptised or maybe there is a record missing. but i know it was rare in those days not to have a baptism :-S

actually, not being baptised did happen, or happened much later .......

...... the church might have been without a vicar for some reason

...... the family might have lived a long way away from a church and had to wait until an itinerant priest came on his rounds

..... the parents might have wanted to have their children baptised in a certain church and waited until they could travel there.


It is not all that unusual to find 2 or more children baptised at the same time, even back then.