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It would seem that Roslyn/Rosline is Eliza's daughter........

Rosaline Gissing in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930

Name: Rosaline Gissing
Birth Date: 1898
Admission Age: 7
Admission Date: 16 Feb 1905
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Southwark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camberwell
Place: London, England
Title: Scattered Homes, Peckham, 1902-1907

Mother Eliza in the GR (Gordon Road?) Workhouse

It would seem to me then that Eliza didn't actually marry Robert Bryson?

Roslyn is with Eliza on the 1929 ER.


Rosline Louise Gissing in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Rosline Louise Gissing
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: 9 Apr 1898
Registration Date: Sep 1979
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 11
Page: 1158

Thomas P Gissing in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2005
Name: Thomas P Gissing
Mother's Maiden Surname: Gissing
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1917
Registration district: Southwark
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 185

Roslyn's son perhaps??


Thomas Patrick Gissing in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Thomas Patrick Gissing
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1917
Registration Date: Feb 1993
Registration district: Southend On Sea
Inferred County: Essex
Register Number: D62B
District and Subdistrict: 4751D
Entry Number: 11

Eliza A Whitby in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Eliza A Whitby
Death Age: 95
Birth Date: abt 1863
Registration Date: Jun 1958
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 207

Res at time of death........from the 1958 ER

Eliza A Whitby in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Eliza A Whitby.......(And Roselyn)
Year: 1958
County or Borough: Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency: Peckham
Street address: 24 Arklow House, Keesey Street

You would need to purchase a copy of the Whitby/Gissing marriage cert Judy to be sure we are on the right track.

Her age is out by a few years on the 1939 Rgister and her age at death.

Eliza was actually born in 1869/1870

GISSING, ELIZA ANN HOSKING
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR'S SURREY Volume 01D Page 158 Order

Prickles. :-)

Thomas P Gissing in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Thomas P Gissing
Year: 1947
County or Borough: Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency: Camberwell
Street address: 24 Arklow House,

With Eliza and Roslyn

Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
BRYSON Alexander W R Clough Lanchester 10a 641
Clough Mary A Bryson Lanchester 10a 641

(Do you know what happened to Mary??)

2nd Marriage........

Marriages Sep 1939 (>99%)
Bryson Alexander W R Darke Sunderland 10a 1803
Darke Lily Bryson Sunderland 10a 1803


Alexander W R Bryson on the 1939 Register

Bryson Household (1 Person) 21 Cairns Road , Sunderland C.B., Durham, England

Alexander W R Bryson 12 Mar 1899 Male Aero & Motor Engineer Married 284 1
Closed Record
Closed Record
Closed Record

On the right of the page is written........See Page 18 Book.....

And then you get.......

Alexander W Bryson on the 1939 Register

47 Calvin Road , Sunderland C.B., Durham, England

Alexander W ?ryson 03 Mar (Edited to 12th Mar) 1899 Male Aero & Motor Engineer Married 281
(A red line is marked through his name and to the right is written.....607 Squadron R.A.F. Auxiliary ..Discharged 1935 No 807035)
Lily Bryson 31 Oct 1898 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 281
Closed Record
Closed Record
Closed Record

3rd Marriage.......

Marriages Dec 1947 (>99%)
Bartlett Kathleen G Bryson Bristol 7b 289
Bryson Alexander W R Bryson Bristol 7b 289


1953, 1954 and 1955 ER at 63 Braemar Avenue......

With Alexander W Bryson and Mary Bartlett

Kathleen on the 1939 Register........


Kathleen Gertrude Bryson (Bartlett) on the 1939 Register

Bartlett Household (3 People) 63 Braemar Avenue , Sodbury R.D., Gloucestershire, England

Kathleen Gertrude Bryson (Bartlett) 24 Mar 1906 Female Dressmaker Single 122 2
Mary Bartlett 12 Dec 1874 Female Housewife Widowed 122 1
Matthias Jones 14 Feb 1893 Male Aircraft Inspector Married 122 3



Kathleen Gertrude Bryson in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Kathleen Gertrude Bryson
Death Age: 68
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1906
Registration Date: Mar 1974
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 656

Thank you for your help
There still is no link to Robert Bryson which seems to be a stumbling block .

Mary Bryson (clough) my grandmother died young with cancer leaving behind 4 children .

Thanks for everyone’s interest . I’m still confused. .I suppose it is possible that Robert and Eliza were not married despite having a child .
Is it possible to access the parish records for St .Saviour Southwark .?

Having read through everything .............. I think that Robert Bryson and Eliza did not marry, although she must have pretended that she was married when registering the baby, and when he was baptised.

Then, as now, a woman who said she was married did not have to show any proof of it, the Registrar took her word.

Plus, if she said her married name was Bryson and her maiden name Gissing, then Robert would not have had to be present to agree to his name being on the certificate.

I think you are just going to have to accept that Robert Bryson was named on the birth certificate but that there is no other documentation to prove that he was the father, and that he did not marry Eliza.

Maybe the naming of Robert was a reaction to the fact that Eliza already had one illegitimate child, and so pretended she was married to avoid more censure.


Re this .........

Is it possible to access the parish records for St .Saviour Southwark .?

If by this you mean the information that was shown on Alexander's birth registration .......... St Saviour, Southwark is just the registration district within which he was born.

The Parish record for St George the Martyr, Southwark can be seen on ancestry (a subscription site).

Having 'Ticks' (as viewed before) coming up, can see I have looked at things in the past, below to go with Army Record (Underage as known)

Chris :)

Surrey Recruitment Registers 1908-1933 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Alex William Robert
Last name Bryson
Service number
Age 19 Years 0 Months
Birth year 1895
Birth place Westminster
Birth county London
Birth country England
Occupation Air Mechanic
Attestation year 1914
Attestation date 30 August 1914
Attestation place Kingston On Thames
Unit or regiment 19th Hussars
Regiment 19th Hussars
Height 5ft 7in.
Weight in pounds 117
Eye colour Blue
Complexion Fair
Hair colour Dark
Chest expansion inches 2
Chest size inches 33
Notes
Volunteers. This recruitment register has General Service written at the top of one page, and GS written after the destination regiment for some entries on the first few pages.
County Surrey
Reference 2496 / 40
Series VOLUNTEERS, 8TH AUGUST 1914 TO 7TH SEPTEMBER 1914


Friend, Patrick Gillespie, 82, Fenchurch Street, looking at that address Newspapers (Find My Past) seems to be Gillespie Brothers, Wine & Spirit Merchants.


For 200 Great Dover Street, Southwark, Ellen Wright on Electoral (Ancestry, London) her Death 1906, Newsagent, Bookseller.


Bit of Occupation change, from Chemists Traveller (Birth Cert.) Paint Manufacturer (Baptism 1889) then Secretary to British Consul (1918 Marriage, stating Deceased)


https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1330098

(more on above, comes up on google search, relating to below, who names his Sister as Eliza Bryson Dover Street on Army Record (also known as Davis)


1901 (Find My Past)
Edmund Gissing Head Married Male 24 1877 Laborer (Brandy Vaults) Hackney, Middlesex, England
Sarah Gissing Wife Married Female 25 1876 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Edmund T Gissing Son Single Male 2 1899 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
William M Gissing Brother Single Male 29 1872 - Hackney, Middlesex, England 20, Ada Street, Hackney, London & Middlesex,


1911 (Find My Past)
Edmund Gissing Head Married Male Carman 27 1884 Hackney London
Elizabeth Florance Gissing Wife Married Female - 23 1888 Hackney London
Edmund Thomas Gissing Son - Male - 9 1902 Hackney London
Emily Eliza Gissing Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Homerton London
16 Nisbet Street N E, St John At Hackney, London & Middlesex,

I might make a guess that Eliza knew this man who died before either of the children was born.

Births Dec 1874 (>99%)
BRYSON William Robert Lambeth 1d 395

Deaths Mar 1897 (>99%)
Bryson William Robert 22 St. Saviour 1d 71

Occupation given as Porter on army records, but Eliza might have told it differently? This is just a guess though


First name(s) William Robert
Last name Bryson
Birth year 1875
Birth parish Lambeth
Birth town London
Birth county Surrey
Birth country England
Service number 8212
Regiment -
Year 1894
Attestation date 24 Sep 1894
Attestation age years 19
Attestation age months 10
Attestation service number 8212
Attestation corps 4th Bn East Surrey Regiment
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 96
Box 574
Box record number 339
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain, England