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She married Henry Etherington 29th may 1909 in Oldham. age listed 27 & a spinster, Her father listed as Griffith Davies a marine stoker (I have a copy of marriage cert:), she is on a 1911 Census (I have a copy)with Henry and 2 sons (1) listed Davies,Henry Etherington born 1909 (stepson) and Frederick William Etherington (both my uncles) she is listed as born in Dyffryn Wales near Barmouth, also listed on 1939 Register with both here husband and son Henry's (I have a copy of it), I also have copy of her death certificate she died 16 June 1947 in hospital in Wallasey, she was living at 14 grange avenue Wallasey., age stated as 64,I Also Have a 1901 census with Jane Davies age 21 living with a brother Hugh E Davies and sister Elizabeth in Barmouth and Jane's Birth place listed as Dyffryn Merionethshire and on a copy of her birth certificate which I have, born 19th June 1882 in the sub-district of Talyllyn, no father listed,mother listed as Jane Davies a Domestic, also resident of informant "MARK OF" Elizabeth Davies the occupier, now what i want to know is this her parents?? I had already sent for a birth certificate about 7-8 years ago of a Jane Davies living in Anglesey and followed that line only to find out it was not her!! and had to delete a lot from my tree.
I am only just getting back to my doing my again after my wife passed away 2 years ago, so Can any one help me please, this will be the last arm on my tree to put to sleep thanks
AL Etherington -----------------Hamilton, Canada

Does the marriage cert show any relations as witnesses

What is her date of birth on the 1939 register

It's not unusual for a father's name to be made up to save face when illegitimate or for another male family member to be named again just to indicate born in wedlock

https://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1325153

(did above relate also?)

Chris :)

Hi
I am trying to find information on my Uncle Henry Etherington born in Oldham c1908, his mother was Jane Etherington (my grandmother) His fathers name could/maybe be Henry Etherington who married Jane Davies in 1909. on the 1911 census he is listed as step-son, and name listed as Henry Davies Etherington.

Etherington Household (3 People)
58 Guildford Street , Wallasey C.B., Cheshire, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Henry Etherington 11 Feb 1887 Corporation Gardener
Jane Etherington 15 Aug 1882 Housewife
Henry Etherington 27 Aug 1908 General Labourer
Ref: RG101/3959C/026/38 Letter Code: LDAY
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So she says her birth is 15.8 1882 which means it should be reg in sept or Dec qtr

Sept qtr would be a bit tight for her birthday as the ladies usually had a six week laying in time after the birth which is why the 6 weeks to register a birth was brought in

So could be either of these

Births Sep 1882
Davies Jane Dolgelly 11b 388

This reg district covers Barmouth
GRO record showing illegitimate
DAVIES, JANE - Order
GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 388

Or the only other one but it doesn't cover the areas she says born

Births Dec 1882
Davies Jane Festiniog 11b 391

Henry was illegitimate

DAVIES, HENRY - Order
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 666 Occasional Copy: A Order

(adding below, reference)

Chris :)

1901 (Find My Past)
Hugh E Davies Head Single Male 16 1885 General Labourer Barmouth, Merionethshire, Wales
Jane Davies Sister Single Female 21 1880 - Dyffryn, Merionethshire, Wales
Elizabeth Davies Sister Single Female 19 1882 - Barmouth, Merionethshire, Wales
Bronaber Cottage, Barmouth, Dolgelly, Merionethshire,


http://newspapers.library.wales/

(in case anything on above, needle in a haystack, I know!)

So that can't be her on the 1901 census as it's the wrong birth year

(as below?)

Chris :)

Merionethshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Hugh Edwards
Last name Davies
Birth year 1885
Baptism year 1885
Baptism day 19
Baptism month Apr
Place Llanaber
County Merionethshire
Father's first name(s) Griffith (occ. Labourer)
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
(Abode, Barmouth)


Birth
DAVIES, HUGH EDWARDS (EDWARDS)
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 380


Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
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Davies Griffith Machynlleth 11b 330
Edwards Catherine Machynlleth 11b 330

(if them)


Merionethshire Baptisms

First name(s) Jane
Last name Davies
Birth year 1879
Baptism year 1879
Baptism day 17
Baptism month Oct
Place Llanenddwyn
County Merionethshire
Father's first name(s) Griffith (occ. Stoker)
Mother's first name(s) Catherine


Birth
DAVIES, JANE (EDWARDS)
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 417

Birth
DAVIES, JANE (EDWARDS)
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 421


Merionethshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Davies
Birth year 1881
Baptism year 1881
Baptism day 30
Baptism month Oct
Place Llanaber
County Merionethshire
Father's first name(s) Griffith (occ. Labourer)
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
(Abode, Barmouth)


Merionethshire Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Ellen
Last name Davies
Birth year 1877
Baptism year 1877
Baptism day 14
Baptism month Oct
Place Llanenddwyn
County Merionethshire
Father's first name(s) Griffith (occ. Engine Driver)
Mother's first name(s) Catherine


Merionethshire Marriages and Banns Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Ellen
Last name Davies
Age 33
Birth year 1879
Year 1912
Event Marriage
Marriage year 1912
Marriage date 08 Apr 1912
Father's first name(s) Griffith (occ. Fireman)
Father's last name Davies
Place Llanaber
County Merionethshire
Spouse's first name(s) Arthur Ernest
Spouse's last name Coppard
Spouse's age 35
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Coppard

(and looking like above couple end up W. Australia)

https://tinyurl.com/yanp474u

(above, Ellen Death notice, Newspapers 1951)


1881 (Find My Past)
Griffith Davies Head Married Male 27 1854 Llanenddwyn, Merionethshire, Wales Labourer (Gen)
Catherine Davies Wife Married Female 29 1852 Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales Labourers Wife
Ellen Davies Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Llanenddwyn, Merionethshire, Wales Scholar
Jane Davies Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Llanenddwyn, Merionethshire, Wales
Graigfach, Llanaber, Dolgelly, Merionethshire


1911 (Find My Past)
Griffith Davies Head Widower Male 58 1853 Dyffryn Merioneth Engineer At Sea
Ellen Davies Daughter Single Female 30 1881 Dyffryn Merioneth -
Elizabeth Davies Daughter Single Female 27 1884 Barmouth Merioneth -
Cassie Davies Niece Single Female 9 1902 Barmouth Merioneth At School
Nellie Davies Niece - Female 3 1908 Barmouth Merioneth
Tanyddinas, Barmouth, Merionethshire,


(if her below)

Merionethshire Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

Davies Catherine 1852 — 1888 Merionethshire Burials Llanaber, Merionethshire

(Burial date 25 Apr 1888 )


DAVIES Catherine 36 Dolgelly 11b 276
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Deaths Jun 1888 (>99%)


(and possible for Father)

Merionethshire Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Griffith
Last name Davies
Age 83
Birth year 1854
Burial year 1937
Burial date 13 Feb 1937
Place Maentwrog
Parish Maentwrog
(Abode, Felin Rhyd Fawr Llanedwen


http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/index.php

(could be useful)


1891 Census needed!...

Hi Shirley & Chris
thanks ,yes there are two people as witness's Fred Etherington who i think is an older brother and a Sarah Etherington another relative, and the 58 Guilford street address is correct and all listed there,as I used to visit my Granddad (Henry) there and uncle Frederick when granddad moved out in the 40's & 50's , her date of birth on the 1939 register islisted as 15th Aug 1882, I know uncle Henry was Illegitimate he was born in 1908 and some one at the LDS church thought that when Henry married Jane in 1909 he adopted him, also another mystery is some where there is a Thelma Davies also born out of wedlock to Jane Davies?? as every one alive today all said she was dad's half sister?? but whether Jane is the mother I do not know ? all I seem to remember was dad called her his sister, and i seem to remember a storey?? that she was a foundling?? another cover up.
Oh And Chris these Etherington's are my family are you related to them also through Henry?? again thanks to you both looking to hopefully to hear more on them
AL Etherington---Hamilton Canada

No, not related!. lol.

Are you sure of that 1901?...

Chris :)

Hi Chris, its just the way you answered my request as
Hi
I am trying to find information on my Uncle Henry Etherington born in Oldham c1908, his mother was Jane Etherington (my grandmother) His fathers name could/maybe be Henry Etherington who married Jane Davies in 1909. on the 1911 census he is listed as step-son, and name listed as Henry Davies Etherington. ???
and as for the 1901 Census I have a copy of it with her brother Hugh and sister Elizabeth, taken in Barmouth, the only thing I am not sure about is, if it is my Grandmother, as I have not got her in any other Census with family only the ones when she is married to Henry Etherington? so cannot link her up prior to her marriage, unless I am missing somethink??
AL Etherington-----------Hamilton Canada

(well, see all added above posting... 12 Jan 2018 18:59)

Birth 1879...

Chris :)

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1282865?d=asc

(another above, things got muddled perhaps?)

Ok Thanks Chris its still a bit of a muddle, but a lot closer than what i had before, and I guess i will piece it together properly this time and not go off half cocked and thanks

Just take time to digest info....

(looks like a case of her not sure of Birth year perhaps!)

Chris :)

Yes the birth date is all over the place from 1879 to 1883, but on two of her records it actually states Aug 1882, so I am leaning towards those,the LDS church told me years ago that birth and marriage ages where very often out by 2-5 years for one reason or another, thanks for your help

In response to Chris's plea for 1891 census for Griffith Davies & family - Jane's not with them:

Griffith Davies
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: Griffith Davies
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Davies
Mother's name: Caroline Davies
Gender: Male
Where born: Dyffryn, Merionethshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanaber
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanaber with Barmouth
Town: Barmouth
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub registration district: Barmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4643
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
William Davies 73
Caroline Davies 75
William Davies 48
Griffith Davies 38
Cathrine Davies 15
Ellen Davies 13
Laura Davies 11
Eliza Davies 9
Hugh Davies 6
Maggie Davies 4

Would be interesting to see actual 1879 Cert., for Birthdate...

If 1882 then that's not her on 1901 with Brother Hugh (think his Baptism nails that one!)...

But not forgetting her Father named as Griffith on 1909 Marriage Cert?...


Back to square one then...

Chris :)

(thankyou AG, ties in, can see a Baptism for Margaret, Llanaber 1886 (Griffith/Catherine) Also noted a Witness Margaret Davies 1912 Marriage for Sister
Ellen)


Birth
DAVIES, MARGARET (EDWARDS)
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 395

Chris :)

(just to add, not knowledgeable, things Wales, admits to googling for spelling a lot, lol)

Hi Argyl/gran & Chris
(A/G) 1891 census rang a bell with me,as we where in Salt lake city for a day and visited the LDS head quarters there,and did a few hours research while there,and the gentleman who was helping us came up with that census,The Places and dates fairly matched and he said that the Laura listed could be Jane and marked it on the record he gave me,and all the children on where grandchildren,he also said that Griffith Occ: as labouror was a general statement for lots of jobs, I forgot about it as it was put away as my wife died soon after,and have not been on here for nearly two years, also if his wife had died it would make sense him living with his parents while at Sea??

Yes, I wondered if Laura could be Jane - I don't see the birth of a Laura, and her age in 1891 is the same as Jane's would be.