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BROAD, GEORGE EDMONDSON Order
GRO Reference: 1912 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 534

1939
Broad Household (2 People)
9 Bell Street , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Edgar G Broad 05 Dec 1912 Male Rubber Cutter & Stripper Dunlop Footwear Boot Ma Married 46 1
Dorothy T Broad 29 Dec 1919 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 46 2

(ah!, got that now Mary, lol)

Chris :)

Thanks again for helping.

We know the correct grandparents are:

Edgar G Broad
Bridget Whyte (White)

Their children were born in Liverpool.

Edgar died Q2 1961 aged 48 in Liverpool.

That would seem to confirm the DOB as stated on the 1939 register.

I am gradually breaking into my neighbour's house by banging my head on the wall.

Sue

I have received the marriage cert as follows:

02 Feb 1948 Liverpool north.

Edgar George Broad age 36 the divorced husband of Dorothy Thelma Broad (formerly Kennedy spinster) Motor Fitter residence at time of marriage Haselbeech Crescent West Derby Father Edgar George Broad Ships Rigger.

Thanks

Sue

Sue, don't know if this helps or hinders, but it's likely to be the Edgar in the merchant navy I mentioned earlier, born 1888, age 13 on this record , father "dead", mother Maria Broad, grandmother Harriet Cartwright, on census for 1901 he appears as George?

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription

First name(s) Edgar
Last name Broad
Birth year -
Birth date -
Event year 1901
School name HMS Indefatigable training ship
Town Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Parent name(s) Maria Broad
Book type Admissions
Archive reference D/IND/3/2/8
Folio / page no. 59
Archive Liverpool Maritime Museum
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
Category Education & work
Subcategory Schools & education
Collections from Great Britain, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Eton Street, Liverpool, Walton on the Hill, West Derby, Lancashire, England


C H Cartwright Head Widow Female 61 1840 Halifax, Yorkshire, England No Occupation
A N Cartwright Son Single Male 24 1877 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Railway Porter
F P Cartwright Son Single Male 21 1880 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Railway Porter
C Cartwright Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Lancashire, England Cook Sorter
M Broad Daughter Widow Female 36 1865 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Cook (Domestic) <<<<< Maria?
Eunice Broad Grand Daughter Single Female 14 1887 Lancashire, England No Occupation
George Broad Grand Son Single Male 12 1889 Lancashire, England No Occupation <<<<<<<
Edward Curtis Visitor Single Male 30 1871 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland Mechanical Engineer Transcription
Edward Widlake Visitor Single Male 19 1882 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Railway Porter

First name(s) MARIA EDITH
Last name CARTWRIGHT
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1886
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ MARIA EDITH CARTWRIGHT married one of these people
Robert Clement Ives, Edwin Broad <<<
District Liverpool
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Volume as transcribed 8B
Page number 188
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, England

Maria remarried 1904 to Rigby, she is here with daughter Eunice Broad ( not Bread lol)

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
17 Herbert St Walton Liverpool, Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England

Maria Edith Rigby Head Widow Female 46 1865 Liverpool Lanc Daily Cleaning
Eunice Bread Daughter Single Female 24 1887 Walton Lpool Lanc Shop Assistant Shop
Charles Roy Millin Bread Adopted Son - Male 12 1899 Seaforth Lanc School
Bessie Rigby Daughter - Female 3 1908 Walton Lpool Lanc -

Thanks Rose, I'm going through files ATM.

There is a marriage to Ethel Edmonson late 1911.

I thought I had found Edgar 1911 as a lodger at 20 Cedardale Rd, Fazakerly occ ship's quartermaster aged 23.

I have just purchased and downloaded the medal card from NA 1919 address when he applied for the medals was 103 Makin Street, Liverpool.

oh yes, this one, with middle name George crossed through, mistranscription of Window cleaner lol.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
20 Cedardale Road Fazakerley Liverpool, Fazakerley, Lancashire, England

Elizabeth Edmondson Head Widow Female 60 1851 Liverpool Lancs -
Henry Edmondson Son Single Male 25 1886 Liverpool Lancs Master Windsor Cleanser
Ethel Edmondson Daughter Single Female 20 1891 Liverpool Lancs -
William John Scott Grandson Single Male 15 1896 Liverpool Lancs Windsor Cleaner
Edgar Broard Boarder Single Male 23 1888 Liverpool Lancs Ships Quartermaster

That's the one which I favour TBH as it keeps the 'sea' connection.

The one 'fact' that doesn't fit in is his stated DOB on the 1939 register where he is shown with his first wife.

*bangs head*

Edit: Silly me, he is living with his future wife's family and Ethel herself

1939 Edgar Broad senior 103 Makin Street.. widowed living with children DOB 31 May 1888 occupation Ringer - shore gang.

I wouldn't set much store by the DOB being correct on 1939, if the Edgar Reg march 1912, was born Dec 1911 then the year being out in 1939 wouldn't be unusual?

Perhaps the 1939 is one year out- if he was born 5th December 1911, and birth was registered first quarter 1912?

Just as an aside the Charles Roy Millen Broad, 'adopted' son with Maria Rigby ( formerly Broad nee Cartwright) is this one

MILLN, CHARLES ROY mmn CARTWRIGHT Order
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 504

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription

First name(s) Chas. R. W.
Last name Broad
Gender Male
Birth year 1898
Birth place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Baptism year -
Residence Lancashire, England
Place -
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Maria E.
Mother's last name Broad
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

and Eunice

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
First name(s) Eunice
Last name Broad
Gender Female
Birth year 1886
Birth place -
Baptism year 1886
Baptism date 04 Oct 1886
Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Place Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Edwin
Father's last name Broad
Mother's first name(s) Maria Edith
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Eunice married William J Templeton
1939
Templeton Household (5 People)
52 Hahnemann Road , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Thanks again.

I am going to be busy

Sue

Can you see Charles Roy 1898 on 1901 census.

1901 2,Eton Street liverpool
C H Cartwright born 1840 Halifax a widow (Clara Harriet)

M Brood (Broad) daughter a Cook.
Eunice 14
George 1889

No Charles !!

Maryb.

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 No Image

Name: Charles Roy Broad
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: 21 Jul 1898
Registration Date: Apr 1984
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 36
Page: 1285

Can't find him on 1901

1939
Broad Household (1 Person)
21 Kiddman Street , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Charles R Broad ? ( 21) Jul 1898 Male Meat Loading Railway Married 226 1

with Ella Broad

Marriages Jun 1928 (>99%)
Atherton Ella Broad Birkenhead 8a 1269
Broad Charles R Atherton Birkenhead 8a 1269

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Battyeford, Mirfield, Dewsbury, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Clara H Cartwright Head Married Female 46 1845 Yorkshire, England Cotton Reeler
Ada Cartwright Daughter Single Female 18 1873 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Cotton Reeler Albert Cartwright Son Single Male 14 1877 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Cotton Cop Rapper
Fred Cartwright Son - Male 11 1880 Lancashire, England Scholar
Clara Cartwright Daughter - Female 8 1883 Lancashire, England Scholar
Edith Broad Daughter Married Female 26 1865 Lancashire, England Cotton Reeler
Eunice Broad Granddaughter - Female 4 1887 Lancashire, England -
George Broad Grandson - Male 2 1889 Lancashire, England -

I have got confused ... but am I winning my bet? :-D

Births Mar 1912
BROAD George mother Edmondson W.Derby 8b 534

(the birth Mary proposed on page 1)

You have won the bet...lolol

The 1939 DOB had completely baffled me. Working on the assumption he was an idiot ATM