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I am trying to find family of Barbara A Jones who married Philip S Greenhill in Malvern in 1972.having kept house for him and his 2 children Ann and Ian after their mother died. I found a Barbara A Jones in the family..a child of Tudor Jones born 1925 who was brother of Philips mother, but that would make them cousins.

How old was Barbara Jones when she married?

Do you know her father’s name?

Was Philip born 1915 - died 1983?

I know nothing of Barbara..Philip was born 1915 Croydon and died 1983 in Birmingham. They married in 1972. I do not know if Barbara A Jones (Greenhill) is still alive but she would be about 90 now.

If Barbara Jones was related to Philip her father was Tudor Jenkyn Jones

To look for her with any degree of certainty, you need to get the marriage cert, for her stated age, her second forename, and father's details

The name is too common for guessing, unfortunately.

There was a Barbara A Greenhill in Worcester on the 2002 ER - not too far from Malvern

So this death is not a possibility then....

??

MS Barbara Anne Greenhill in the England and Wales, Death Index, 2007-2015
Name: MS Barbara Anne Greenhill
Gender: Female
Age: 78
Birth Date: 1931
Death Date: 1 May 2009
Residence Place at Death: Worcester, Worcestershire, England
Postal Code District: Wr2

Looks good PH - fits with the 2002 ER info, where the postcode was WR2

Checking freebmd - 12 births for Barbara A Jones within the time-scale suggested by the death info - and assuming that she was Jones at birth

That looks a definite possibility Thanks..So have birth , death and name ...now need to find her birth family. Difficult.

Will her fathers name be on the marriage certificate? If so I could order it.

It should be.

The witnesses might be a help too.

Tudor Jenkyn Jones was born in 1888 in Ipswich

First name(s) Tudor Jenkyn
Last name Jones
Age 75
Birth year 1888
Burial year 1963
Burial date 05 Dec 1963
Place Llanelltyd
Parish -
County Merionethshire
Country Wales
Record set Merionethshire Burials

if Tudor was her father then Barbara and Philip are cousins.As he needed someone he could trust to look after his children when their mother was sick and died it would seem that a female family member would be the choice. Therefore his uncle`s unmarried daughter Barbara who he finally married later in life after divorced from his first wife Eileen Marsden. Seems to make sense of the hints from family in the past.

The marriage certificate will prove whether the family hints, and your suppositions are correct!

Hi Sonya

You say that Philips mother was the sister of Tudor Jenkyn Jones.

I see that Philips mother was Muriel Jenkyn Jones.

Tudor married in 1925

Marriages Mar 1925 (>99%)
Jones Tudor J Williams Barnet 3a 555
Williams Gladys M T Jones Barnet 3a 555

You say that you found a Barbara A Jones in the family of Tudor.

Here is Tudor on the 1939 Register.......

Tudor J Jones on the 1939 Register

Jones Household (8 People) 49 Prince Alfred Road , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Tudor J Jones 26 Dec 1887 Male Doctor Of Medicine Doctor Of Science Married 124 1
Gladys M T Jones 23 Mar 1895 Female Reg Medical Practitioner Married 124 2
Mary E T Jones 25 Nov 1925 Female At School Single 124 3
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Priscilla A T Jones 24 Apr 1935 Female Under School Age Single 124 6
Rosina Higgins 05 Mar 1893 Female Domestic Servant Single 124 7

The child Mary was born in Birmingham.......

Births Dec 1925 (>99%)
JONES Mary E T Williams Birmingham S. 6d 211

As Mary was born in Birmingham, i am wondering if this is Tudor's daughter Barbara...

??

Births Mar 1928 (>99%)
Jones Barbara G T Williams Birmingham S. 6d 196


Marriages Dec 1955 (>99%)
BARTER Stanley R JONES Liverpool S. 10d 1059
JONES Barbara G T BARTER Liverpool S. 10d 1059


Barbara Gwendolen T Barter in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Barbara Gwendolen T Barter
Death Age: 69
Birth Date: 28 Jan 1928
Registration Date: Aug 1997
Registration district: Denbighshire South
Inferred County: Clwyd
Register Number: 62
District and Subdistrict: 8051

Prickles ;o))

A bit of a muddle this 1939 Record.......

Muriel J Greenhill on the 1939 Register

Greenhill Household (4 People) Arnercliffe , Isle of Wight R.D., Isle of Wight, England

Muriel J Greenhill 17 Feb 1885 Female Accountant Executive Widowed 56 1 (Birth year altered to 1888)
Elinor E Jenkin-Jones (Initial "E" altered to "S" on the image) 01 Jun 1861 Female None Widowed 56 2
Philip (A) Greenhill (Initial "A" altered to "S" on the image) 12 Jan 1915 Male Car Salesman Married 56 3
Sybil G M Baker 19 Mar 1916 Female Companion Housekeeper Single 56 4

I thought Barbara was the second child of Tudor and Gladys Jones..what is the reason for the record to be closed in 1939...she would have been about 10? I have ordered a marriage cert for Philip and Barbara so will see what that shows.
Thanks for those records .

The record is closed because she was not known to have died by the time they stopped updating (about 1991, I believe)

There is no birth record for Barbara A Jones with MMN Williams to fit the year of birth recorded on the woman's death entry

When you get the copy of the marriage cert, tell us what it says, and we'll go from there

At present, there is no way of knowing who Barbara actually was - you can't assume she was a spinster when she moved in to look after the children. She could just as easily have been a widow.