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Thank you Erika and all. I think I can put this to bed now. Mystery solved.

Possibility ONLY - needs verifying, thoroughly

First name(s) Annie Ada
Last name Briggs
Baptism year 1900
Baptism date 24 Jun 1900
Place Normanton by Derby, St Giles
Parents Joseph Cawthorne & Lucy
Father's occupation Railway Clerk
Residence 99 St Giles Road
County Derbyshire
Country England


Marriages Mar 1893 (>99%)
Briggs Joseph Gawthorn Derby 7b 693
Lane Lucy Derby 7b 693


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
99, St Giles Road, Derby, Derbyshire, England

Joseph G Briggs Head Married Male 35 1866 Derby, Derbyshire, England Railway Rent Office Clerk Transcription
Lucy Briggs Wife Married Female 34 1867 Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England - Transcription
Alice F Briggs Daughter Single Female 9 1892 Hackney, Middlesex, England - Transcription
Josephine L Briggs Daughter Single Female 7 1894 Derby, Derbyshire, England - Transcription
Joseph L Briggs Son Single Male 5 1896 Derby, Derbyshire, England - Transcription
Ada A Briggs Daughter Single Female 0 1901 Derby, Derbyshire, England



Name: Joseph Gawthorn Briggs
Age in 1911: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Derby, Derbyshire
Civil Parish: Kings Norton
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address: 7 Franklin Road, Bournville
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Railway Clerk
Registration district: Kings Norton
Registration District Number: 383
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 17838
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Gawthorn Briggs 45
Lucy Briggs 44
Alice Foster Briggs 19
Josephine Lucina Briggs 17
Joseph Lane Briggs 15
Annie Ada Briggs 10
Irene Henrietta Briggs 8
Katie Mary Briggs 1
Hedley Gawthorn Briggs 4

Name: Cyril Jones
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: 7 Dec 1900
Registration Date: Jun 1974
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 3
Page: 1387

Name: Cyril Jones
Death Date: 14 Jun 1974
Death Place: Holmesfield Sheffield
Probate Date: 15 Jul 1974
Registry: Sheffield
Address: St Keyna, Castle Hill, Holmesfield.

No details of executor. Effects £27207



Name: Anne A Jones
Death Age: 61
Birth Date: abt 1901
Registration Date: Mar 1962
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2d
Page: 434

Name: Anne Ada Jones
Death Date: 18 Mar 1962
Death Place: Derbyshire, Derby, England
Probate Date: 4 Apr 1962
Registry: Wakefield
Same address as above - probate to Cyril

The address for Barbara in 2002 (on the ER) was in Powick, Worcester

The house was last sold in October 2014

Jones Household (5 People)
Kildare, Charlton Park , Keynsham U.D., Somerset, England

Cyril Jones 07 Dec 1900 Male Arp Central Control Bist Sales Manager Cadbury Ltd Married 164 1
Anne A Jones 06 May 1900 Female ??? Married 164 2
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Births Dec 1930 (>99%)
Jones Barbara A Briggs Chester 8a 520

Marriages Jun 1926 (>99%)
Briggs Anne A Jones Birmingham S 6d 661 S
Jones Cyril Briggs Birmingham S. 6d 661

I Have marriage cert for Philip Sydney Greenhill age 51 to Barbara Anne Jones 41 on 28 Jan 1972. She was a spinster and his marriage was dissolved. Barbara has father CYRIL JONES retd regional manager of Cadburys.

Their address is given as 41 The Drive, Colletts Green (Powick?) Married Malvern district. The witnesses were D & J Macmillan.

Not a great deal of help I think. Perhaps with the fathers christian name we can discount some families. Can you try please.

Wow 104!!!

Bless her cotton socks. <3

Thank you for that it is very interesting. Ps. Eileen is now 104..but I will try to see if she does remember anything about Barbara.

"At the outbreak of war In September 1939 a massive administrative task was underway: the taking of the 1939 Register, one of the most important British documents of the twentieth century.

Having issued forms to more than 41 million people, the enumerators were charged with the task of visiting every household in Great Britain and Northern Ireland to collect the names, addresses, martial statuses and other key details of every civilian in the country, issuing identity cards on the spot.

The 1939 Register, then, represents one of the most important documents in 20th century Britain. The information it contains not only helped toward the war effort, it was also used in the founding of the NHS.

In addition, the 1931 census was destroyed during an air raid on London and the 1941 census was never taken. The 1939 Register, released online by Findmypast in partnership with The National Archives, is therefore the only surviving overview of the civil population of England and Wales spanning the period 1921-1951. It bridges a census gap that risked losing an entire generation, and is a fascinating resource for anyone interested in understanding 20th century Britain and its people".

It can be accessed on Find my Past website

At the outbreak of war In September 1939 a massive administrative task was underway: the taking of the 1939 Register, one of the most important British documents of the twentieth century.

In December 1938 it was announced in the House of Commons that in the event of war, a National Register would be taken that listed the personal details of every civilian in Great Britain and Northern Ireland. This Register was to be a critical tool in coordinating the war effort at home. It would be used to issue identity cards, organise rationing and more.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register/what-is-the-1939-register


It is on FMP Sonya......FindMyPast.

You need to purchase a subscription though to be able to view the original images.

ps. What and where is the 1939 register.?

Ian and Ann ..mother Ann Cant (I think) On IOW during WW2 lived with Philip as his wife.Philip was in the army unti lwell after the war.Not divorced from Eileen {my mother) Ann and Ian were not aware of this until Philips death.(very upset) The mother was sickly and died early and that is why they had Barbara to look after the household. Eileen did the same living with Bradney Banks unmarried..I think she changed her name by deedpol.

I will post when I get the marriage cert.

There was a marriage in 1935 to Eileen Marsden, which produced a daughter.

Perhaps the second relationship wasn't actually legalised - there was a divorce from the former Miss Marsden at some stage, but no idea when

From an earlier post in the thread..............

.................who he finally married later in life after divorced from his first wife Eileen Marsden.

As a matter of interest, who was the mother of Ann and Ian?

I am not seeing a marriage for Philip between 1935---1972

Edit: Just found Ann and Ian's birth registrations.

I am not seeing a marriage that matches the MMN though.

If i have the correct Ian.....He is on the 2014 ER living in Birmingham.

In case this is of interest to you....Eileen M Greenhill nee Marsden is with her mother on the 1939 register.....

Eileen M Banks (Greenhill) on the 1939 Register

Marsden Household (3 People) 43 Belle Vue Road , Bournemouth C.B., Hampshire, England

Eileen M Banks (Greenhill) 16 Feb 1914 Female Shorthand Typist - 24 2
May Marsden 04 Mar 1888 Female Pensioner - 24 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed.

I am assuming the closed record is you.

There is no birth record for Barbara A Jones with MMN Williams to fit the year of birth recorded on the woman's death entry

When you get the copy of the marriage cert, tell us what it says, and we'll go from there

At present, there is no way of knowing who Barbara actually was - you can't assume she was a spinster when she moved in to look after the children. She could just as easily have been a widow.

The record is closed because she was not known to have died by the time they stopped updating (about 1991, I believe)

I thought Barbara was the second child of Tudor and Gladys Jones..what is the reason for the record to be closed in 1939...she would have been about 10? I have ordered a marriage cert for Philip and Barbara so will see what that shows.
Thanks for those records .

A bit of a muddle this 1939 Record.......

Muriel J Greenhill on the 1939 Register

Greenhill Household (4 People) Arnercliffe , Isle of Wight R.D., Isle of Wight, England

Muriel J Greenhill 17 Feb 1885 Female Accountant Executive Widowed 56 1 (Birth year altered to 1888)
Elinor E Jenkin-Jones (Initial "E" altered to "S" on the image) 01 Jun 1861 Female None Widowed 56 2
Philip (A) Greenhill (Initial "A" altered to "S" on the image) 12 Jan 1915 Male Car Salesman Married 56 3
Sybil G M Baker 19 Mar 1916 Female Companion Housekeeper Single 56 4