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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Penbank, Nevern Trewern Quarter, Cardigan, Pembrokeshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Stephen Lloyd Head - Male 52 1819 - Pembrokeshire, Wales
Jane Lloyd Wife - Female 38 1833 - Pembrokeshire, Wales
Margaret Lloyd Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Pembrokeshire, Wales
William Lloyd Son - Male 11 1860 - Pembrokeshire, Wales
David Lloyd Son - Male 9 1862 - Pembrokeshire, Wales
Stephen Lloyd Son - Male 6 1865 - Pembrokeshire, Wales

Stephen Senior is a Butcher

All born Nevern

What makes you believe he marries Dorothy Nicholas

https://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1217676

(looks like him on above for reference)

Chris :)

Ahh. Dorothy and Margaret with her parents listed as Butchers wife -

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Castellgorfod, Meline (Pembroke), Cardigan, Pembrokeshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Thomas Nicholas Head Married Male 55 1826 Fishguard, Pembrokeshire, Wales Farmer Of 5 Acres
Phoebe Nicholas Wife Married Female 66 1815 Pembrokeshire, Wales Farmers Wife
Dorothy Lloyd Daughter Married Female 30 1851 Pembrokeshire, Wales Butchers Wife
James Nicholas Son Single Male 23 1858 Pembrokeshire, Wales Clog Maker
Margaret Lloyd Grand Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Pembrokeshire, Wales -

There is a marriage in 1877 in Cardigan for William Lloyd and Dorothy Nicholas

The birth for Margaret Lloyd born Mar 1878 in Cardigan MMN Nicholas

Chris I wondered if I had posted this before but 8 yrs on and still don't have William on other census.
I'm retracing steps to try and find deaths
I have found Dorothy's death

From your previous thread

Gins Report 21 Apr 2010 14:09
This looks like William in 1901. He's a butcher as was his father.

1901 Wales Census
about William Lloyd
Name: William Lloyd
Age in 1901: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Nevern, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: Ystradyfodwg St John
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Household Members: Name Age
William Lloyd 38 <<<Married
Margaret Lloyd 21 <<Daughter<<Single

Well somethings not right here. Either the age of Margaret has been entered wrongly or the enumerator has entered the relationship wrong?

Ooo, I suppose he could have had his daughter VERY young

Following Dorothy through to see what is recorded for her

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Castell, Pentre, Meline, Cardigan, Pembrokeshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Thomas Nicholas Head Widower Male 65 1826 Pembrokeshire, Wales Farmer
James Nicholas Son Single Male 33 1858 Pembrokeshire, Wales Farmers Son
Dorothy Lloyd Daughter Married Female 40 1851 Pembrokeshire, Wales General Servant
Margaret Lloyd Granddaughter - Female 13 1878 Pembrokeshire, Wales Scholar

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Castellgorgod, Meline (Pembroke), Cardigan, Pembrokeshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Thomas Nicholas Head Widower Male 75 1826 Fishguard, Pembrokeshire, Wales Farmer
James Nicholas Son Single Male 43 1858 Pembrokeshire, Wales Farmer's Son
Dorothy Lloyd Daughter Married Female 50 1851 Pembrokeshire, Wales Gen Serv (Domestic)

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Castell Gorfod Eglwyswrw Pembroke, Meline, Pembrokeshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
James Nicholas Head Single Male 53 1858 Meline Pembroke Farmer
Dorothy Lloyd Sister Married Female 60 1851 Meline Pembroke -
Margaret Lloyd Niece Single Female 33 1878 Meline Pembroke Dressmaker

Whether a mistake or not, Dorothy has not listed how long she has been married for or how many children born to the marriage.

And William with Margaret 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
76, Gelly Road, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Lloyd Head Married Male 38 1863 Nevern, Pembrokeshire, Wales Butcher Dealer
Margaret Lloyd Daughter Single Female 21 1880 Meline, Pembrokeshire, Wales -

Erika H
It is correct as William was born in 1859 and Margaret in 1878 :-D

William 1861 - so actually a bit older than that 1901 shows, more in line with the 1871 census!!

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Flynonias, Nevern Trewern Quarter, Cardigan, Pembrokeshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Stephen Lloyd Head Married Male 41 1820 Butcher -
Jane Lloyd Wife Married Female 32 1829 Butchers Wife -
John Lloyd Son Unmarried Male 8 1853 - -
Elizabeth Lloyd Daughter - Female 6 1855 - -
Margaret Lloyd Daughter - Female 4 1857 - -
William Lloyd Son - Male 1 1860 - -
Mary Evans Servant Unmarried Female 16 1845 House Maid -

greyghost
I have his baptism record which gives his birth date as well. :-D

Not doubting, but gives an idea of what sort of age he might be in those missing census years, it seems he got younger as the years went by!

I wonder if they were not compatible living together, but seems at least he and Margaret kept in touch. Could he have "taken up" with someone in between times and lived under another name? Or abroad, but family didn't go with him.
Clutching at straws here.

greyghost - me too :-D

I've tried looking with age without age, anywhere except abroad.
Thank you for looking - at least I know it's not just me ;-)

Not seeing that 1877 Marriage image on FMP (unfortunately!, they are often useful things Wales!)

Chris :)

http://newspapers.library.wales/

(also had a look on above, not sure if any other of families would be about!)


Edits

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Margaret
Last name Lloyd
Birth year 1878
Birth date 19 Jun 1878 (19/6/78 on image)
Event year 1885 (Date of Admission February 25th)
School name Meline and Whitechurch School
Town Meline and Whitechurch
County Pembrokeshire
Country Wales
Parent name(s) Dorothy Lloyd
Book type Admissions
(Address, Castellgorfod)

Looks as if he was prosecuted for removing sheep from farm in 1904 in contravention of the sheep scab regulations so was back in Pembrokeshire then.

Just checking out spelling of farm name.

Thanks Chris for reminder of newspaper link :-D

News article says 'of the town' and was at Cardigan Assizes, so could this be that Wm Lloyd - coincidentally from Navern??

More than 1 William Lloyd from Nevern who was a Butcher

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Priory Street, Cardigan, Cardigan St Mary, Cardiganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Lloyd Head Married Male 65 1836 Nevern, Pembrokeshire, Wales Farmer & Butcher
Hannah Lloyd Wife Married Female 68 1833 Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Ann Lloyd Daughter Single Female 27 1874 Nevern, Cardiganshire, Wales Butchers Assistant
William M Lloyd Grand Son Single Male 12 1889 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Mary H Lloyd Grand Daughter Single Female 11 1890 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Simon J Lloyd Grand Son - Male 8 1893 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Martha A Lloyd Grand Daughter - Female 7 1894 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -

News article says of the town and was at Cardigan Assizes, so could this be him - coincidentally from Navern??

More than 1 William Lloyd from Nevern who was a Butcher

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Priory Street, Cardigan, Cardigan St Mary, Cardiganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Lloyd Head Married Male 65 1836 Nevern, Pembrokeshire, Wales Farmer & Butcher
Hannah Lloyd Wife Married Female 68 1833 Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Ann Lloyd Daughter Single Female 27 1874 Nevern, Cardiganshire, Wales Butchers Assistant
William M Lloyd Grand Son Single Male 12 1889 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Mary H Lloyd Grand Daughter Single Female 11 1890 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Simon J Lloyd Grand Son - Male 8 1893 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -
Martha A Lloyd Grand Daughter - Female 7 1894 Cilgerran, Cardiganshire, Wales -

Perhaps they only married for respectability, as she was maybe pregnant at the time, but then they never lived together.


Maybe ?? - although he says he has no children.
First he said he was married, then scored that out and wrote "widower".
He wrote "Pembrokeshire" first for his POB, and later added Old Milford.
(I know Nevern's nowhere near Milford Haven - if that's what's meant by Old Milford.)

But he's a butcher, the right age, and the address is almost identical to that in 1901.

From Wikipedia:
"The old district of Ystradyfodwg was named after the church at Ton Pentre."

William Lloyd
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: William Lloyd
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Old Milford, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Rhondda
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 75 Gelli Road Ton Pentre Glam
Marital Status: Widowed
Years Married: 33
Estimated Marriage Year: 1878
Occupation: Family Butcher
Registration district: Pontypridd
Registration District Number: 589
Sub-registration district: Rhondda
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 59
Piece: 32354
Household Members:
Name Age
William Lloyd 51

ArgyllGran

I saw that one and wondered whether it could be him.