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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 26 Jun 2018 22:08

The images state relationship to head of household as Dau(squiggle). We can only assume that the transcriber disengaged brain to think that 8 & 5 yr olds could be divorced!
As 2 sites say the same, it does suggest one bought/used the same transcription from the other. Ancestry does give the correct relationship of daughter.

If you wanted to see the original images for the baptisms,
https://cityark.medway.gov.uk
Click on Parish Records & select the relevant parish

John

John Report 26 Jun 2018 21:11

Thank you ErikaH for your findings of the Russell children albeit no marriage recorded for parents. By the way regarding the divorce mentioned on post for daughter Mary age 9, I was on Family Search and see where it was coming from because for her marital state it does say divorced on the 1851 census .Would that have been submitted by the person who was transcribing it to Family Search.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Jun 2018 12:07

Interesting that the births of Charlotte and Mary (Bapt 1844) do not appear to have been registered, whereas the later ones were, although they all pre-date the introduction of penalties (1875)

RUSSELL, EDMUND JAMES SAUNDERS Order
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in NORTH AYLESFORD Volume 02A Page 399

John

John Report 22 Jun 2018 18:26

Rereading other posts I see that SAFC did find a baptism for a Mary 1844 Longfield but states father John Russell and mother Susan Saunders, perhaps it's a John Thomas Russel rather than Thomas.

John

John Report 22 Jun 2018 18:18

Erika Many thanks for the info you have found . I have managed to verify on Grobmd that mother is Saunders, what is baffling me is not finding a marriage and I can't find anything about Mary daug listed on 1851 census as to who her mother was. I wonder if Thomas had a previous marriage so Marys mothers name was different from rest of children. Susan seems to be known as Susannah mostly which tends to throw things.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jun 2018 17:13

The baptism to which reference is made above

First name(s) Susan
Last name Saunders
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1824
Baptism date 26 Dec 1824
Place Saint Werburgh Hoo
County Kent
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Saunders
Mother's first name(s) Susan
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jun 2018 16:40

Name: Edmund James Russell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1869
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1869
Baptism Place: Cobham, Kent, England
Father: Thomas Russell
Mother: Susannah
FHL Film Number: 1473678

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jun 2018 16:39

Name: Eliza Ann Russell
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 10 Dec 1848
Christening Place: Luddesdown, Kent, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
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Father: Thomas Russell
Mother: Susanna Russell

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jun 2018 14:19

I can't help thinking that the fact that the mother's maiden surname was recorded on the baptism entries indicates the absence of any marriage between her and the father of the children

BTW
The FMP transcriber must have been on the bottle - there is no mention of the word 'divorced' anywhere on the census return

I have submitted a correction

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jun 2018 14:18

RUSSELL, ELIZA ANN SAUNDERS Order
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in NORTH AYLESFORD Volume 05 Page 428

RUSSELL, ELIZABETH SUSAN SAUNDERS Order
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in NORTH AYLESFORD Volume 05 Page 423

John

John Report 22 Jun 2018 00:32

ErikaH. Think I have found Thomas Russell in 1841 living with perhaps elder brother Christopher and wife Mary in Sole St Cobham Kent , their name spelt Rufsel. I also found another Thomas Russell b 1776 in 1841 census and a Sophia Russell b 1821 also living in Sole St Cobham so presume this is the father and sister of Thomas and Christopher. Regarding Susan Saunders ,in the 1841 found one living in Chatham Kent which is not far from Hoo , but although a John Saunders was living in the same street with a wife Elizabeth. Susan was living with a Steven Saunders and wife Susan she was 15, just unsure if it is the same Susan Saunders, very confusing because if you see the birth of above Susan Saunders it states father as John and mother Susan.Obviously in the 1841 it doesn't state relationship to head of household. I am completely lost on both Thomas Russell and Susan Saunders as to why cant find a marriage for them either.

John

John Report 21 Jun 2018 23:40

I haven't actually re looked on the census just saw it on the 1851 post that you posted on here, It states Mary Russell Daughter Divorced female 8 At home Longfield Kent England, so would the person who transcribed it put that in

safc

safc Report 21 Jun 2018 23:23

Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original docucument there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Kent
Place (with link) Hoo St Werburgh
Church name (with link) St Werburgh
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 487
Baptism date 26 Dec 1824
Person forename Susan
Father forename John
Mother forename Susan
Father surname SAUNDERS
Person abode Hoo
Father occupation Labourer
Transcribed by Peter Honeywood
Credit Peter Honeywood
File line number 468


https://www.freereg.org.uk/

safc

safc Report 21 Jun 2018 23:22

it does not say divorced on the census

John

John Report 21 Jun 2018 23:17

Re looking again ,you have found a christening for a Charlotte and a Mary Russell both on 7th July 1844 in Longfield. Now the John Russell has thrown me, could mother Susan have been married to a John Russell then got divorced and married Thomas Russell a family member. I did find a baptism for a Susan Saunders in 1824 Hoo, now her father was called John, wonder if there is a name mix up there

John

John Report 21 Jun 2018 23:06

Hi SAFC many thanks for the info, regarding the 1851 I hadn't noticed the word divorced against daughter Mary female 8 yrs,does this mean that her father was divorced or perhaps mother. Must say I have never seen this before. So now I am looking for a marriage for perhaps both parents after Mary was born

safc

safc Report 21 Jun 2018 22:35


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Clay Lane, Cobham, North Aylesford, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Russell Head - Male 56 1815 - Kent, England
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Susannah Russell Wife - Female 46 1825 - Kent, England
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Martha Russell Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Kent, England
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Thomas Russell Son - Male 12 1859 - Kent, England
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William Russell Son - Male 9 1862 - Kent, England
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Amelia Russell Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Kent, England
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Edmond Russell Son - Male 1 1870 - Kent, England

safc

safc Report 21 Jun 2018 22:33


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Westwood, Meopham, North Aylesford, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Russell Head Married Male 47 1814 Agricultural Labourer Meopham, Kent, England
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James Russell Wife Married Female 37 1824 - Hoo, Kent, England
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Mary Russell Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 - Luddesdown, Kent, England
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Eliza Russell Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1849 - Luddesdown, Kent, England
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Elizabet Russell Daughter Unmarried Female 9 1852 - Luddesdown, Kent, England
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Martha Russell Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 - Ash, Kent, England
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Thomas Russell Son - Male 2 1859 - Luddesdown, Kent, England

safc

safc Report 21 Jun 2018 22:30


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rectory, Luddesdown, North Aylesford, Kent, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Russell Head Married Male 39 1812 Farm Labourer Meopham, Kent, England
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Susan Russell Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Hoo, Kent, England
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Mary Russell Daughter Divorced Female 8 1843 At Home Longfield, Kent, England
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Maria Russell Daughter - Female 5 1846 At Home Longfield, Kent, England
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Eliza A Russell Daughter - Female 2 1849 At Home Luddesdown, Kent, England
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Elizabeth Russell Daughter - Female 0 1851 At Home Luddesdown, Kent, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Jun 2018 22:23

Where are they in 1841

According to 1851, Susan was born c1825